Vengeance Basic Guide! We are ok!

Classes Demon Hunter
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YOYO

I am experienced DH tank and want to help you set yourself up for success for Mythic+

I want to start out by saying that we need less flame and more positivity, yes DH tanks have a few issues but they are not far from other tanks. Yes we are the worst for tanking (funny that) but it isn’t that far away. We have great utility and the most fun tank spec

Firstly to be very clear, Vengeance can tank

All Tyrannical keys - bosses are not an issue for us single target tanking.
HC raid - No issues tanking here, I have not tried mythic raiding.
We struggle on Fortified tanking weeks ONLY!! but as mentioned the disparity isnt huge

We have self sustain, we can heal ourselves comfortably. Issue we have is the GCD and being given enough to do heal it back up. It is your fault if you die, not your healers! 90% of the time they are not healing you, to spikey!
The idea with the below is to ensure that you can live long enough to be able to heal yourself, so when we look at your 4th azerite ring yo are trying to dampen the damage so you have a GCD to heal

Stats

Haste - 20% (don’t go below 18%) Prioty is to get this base then ignore haste
Crit - 2nd best stat after haste achieved
Vers - Your highest value stat - stack this as much as possible, gems food etc
Mastery - scrap this items. Do not use mastery. You tank just fine with the base mastery as it only effects Demon Spikes and attack power. You will get more damage from Vers/Crit (acception is if on a weapon)

My stats on DH unbuffed (423.68 ilvl)

**Crit: 23.6%**
Haste 18.1%
Mastery: 30.8%
Vers: 16.59

Essence
Tyranical - Aegis of the Deep(Major) - Azeroth’s Undying Gift(Minor)
Fortified - Azeroth’s Undying Gift(Major) - Aegis of the Deep(Minor)

Pots
Trash Pulls - Potion of Empowered Proximity
Boss pulls - Potion of Unbridled Fury

Food - Bil’Tong

Azerite - this is by far the hardest to achieve as the Azerite pieces impact us massively. We are very reliant on this and getting the BIS is difficult. The reason for this is the 3rd and 4th ring add just as much, if not more value than the other 2 rings.

You need
1 x [Hour of Reaping]
1x [Essence Sever]
1x [Cycle of Binding]
1x [Revel in Pain]
2 x Combination of Rigid Carapace [Infernal Armor]
3rd ring [Strength in Numbers] is your BIS (If only we could get 3 of them…) 2nd choice is [Shimmering Haven], 3rd [Ablative Shielding]
4th ring - [Soulmonger]!! This is by far the best for us. I base all my azerite on having this trait. [Gemhide] is 2nd best.

where is the azerite?

Just dungeon loot - Spymaster’s Wrap(Chest) Gorak Tul’s Mantle(Shoulders) Cowl of Fluid Machinations(head)
Raid - Helm of Hideous Transformation(head) Tidal Drifter’s Shoulders(shoulders)

BIS setup
Helm of Hideous Transformation - Raid
Gorak Tul’s Mantle - Dungeon
Spymaster’s Wrap - Dungeon

Trinkets -
Tyranical - [Bloodthirsty Urchin][Edicts of the Faithless]-
Fort - [Bloodthirsty Urchin] // [Edicts of the Faithless]- [Bwonsamdi’s Bargain] <-- best for Fort weeks
Talents - [Abyssal Strike][Fallout][Flame Crash][Fracture][Sigil of Chains][Spirit Bomb][Soul Barrier] - Last tier you can consider fortified [Void Reaver] or [Last Resort] - personally I still with Soul barrier

Done - don’t worry about your ilvl, get your gear in the right place. You will notice big gains. Overtime you will increase ilvl and get the perfect setup.

Hope it helps atleast, would like to see more DH tanks!

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Do a name change 4 weeks ago, allowed to post as Shrana, now Im’ Bilson I cannot edit post: Blizz fix forums :slight_smile:

Essence was the other way around for fort and tyranical

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I feel like you could list other essences for different situations at least.

Think about it this way instead of a one way answer, I feel like a tier list would be better for explaining them. Other essences do have their time to shrine, I know that Suppression and Anima both have some uses.

Also you could include dps trinkets or other tank trinkets. Indiscriminate is a god send. I would include the information about Harlans and Cannon Runner.

Either way its good to see someone stressing the importance of the inner trait, soulmonger is huge to have, and can change your gameplay up slightly. Combining that trait with other absorbs such as soul barrier you leave like half your healing into absorption.

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Good input.

However, as Vengeance we don’t have the luxury of taking dps trinkets as we push to high keys. At the moment these are the two you should run with in m+, as we get another minor and major others will open up.

also I am unable to edit now.

Thanks for input

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Wait why would Soul Barrier better good then Last Resort,i am using last Resort,i found it to bee a very good defensive along with Bwonsamdi Bargain trinket, especially in raids or m+ .Why not Demon Spikes,why do you need a better Abysal Strike?

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Depends on the situation and preference I assume. I only run Last Resort when I know I risk taking a big burst of damage that might kill me. Void Reaver is my prefered choice since it gives dmg reduction all the time.

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Patch 8.2 definitely made Vengeance OK again as tanks. I still feel more powerful as a protection paladin, but Vengeance isn’t as squishy anymore, and the new Azerite essences give us some additional protection.

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Thank you for this :grinning:

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Undulating Tides and it’s shield not on the list? I would have thought that was a good one for tanks?

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Nope, unless you like having shield only every 45s after previous proc.

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