Vengeance plays well in shadowlands BUT

Basically with the new talents and the addition of fel devastation allowing for controlled demo usage the spec plays very well.

However… the talents barely have a meaning. In each row one of the option is way better compared to the others.

At this point fracture and feed the demon should be baseline together with demonic ( for both specs aswell to be fair).

In general I am starting to believe the talent system has no real meaning these days. Players swap essences and other stuff way more often that talents.

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Do you mean fracture instead of shear or as well as shear?

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Well fracture in place or shear. No need to have em both.

Or just make shear have the same function as fracture and put another talent in its place.

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Fracture in place of shear would be bad for me. Having one ability that doesn’t have a CD is a basic requirement for me really enjoying a class.

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Might play well, deffensively it’s aweful. With spikes up we’re as tanky as any of the plate wearers, without a single deffensive up lol. Sacrificing damage and heals for higher uptime on spikes, still puts us at 40% of the time no defensive up. And the lack of threat from that is laughable.

Legendaries are quite a mess, realistically there’s one that’s kinda all right for keys. 1 that’s kind of all right for raids. Veng is deffinitely due a rework like shadow/shammy. I think it’s absolutely mental we don’t have feed/bomb baseline.

And the fact we have to use our big CD (met), to bridge the gap between our rediculous low uptime on defensives. Where as other tanks use there’s to do big pulls. Dont even get me started on covenants too lol. DK/pally get some brilliant game changing stuff, we get err…

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Vengeance is looking good, if they just buffed shear a little bit to generate a bit more fury then that would be great for feed the demon builds.

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I think vengeance needs to have pvp talent- demonic trample as a pve talent option instead it could be great for kiting and mobility too.

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Aand vengeance got nerfed more latest build… it got havoc treatment. Way to go blizz… well new main gonna be dk or warrior/rogue

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No one talking about how vengeance is losing the range increase? That’s massive since mobility defines the class.

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