VERY disappointed with alchemy in DF

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OK, so, tl;dr is that alchemy is a profession that operates on money loss and is basically designed to loss money, below is “why”

So, transmutations - all of them are basically useless - instead of creating order/decay you can only dismantle them into elements - and order/decay are way more valuable than other elements, so instead of transmuting you are better off selling/buyin on AH

there is no useful/fun transmutation

PS: Not to mention altar of decay required to make some good stuff is inconveniently put at the end of a dungeon >.<

Now, pots/phials. This is just absolutely ridiculous. To make best phials/pots you need to make a primal convergent that is made of all awakened elements including order, you make 2 as basic so it’s expensive. you can make 2-5 phial pots off this. you are not making any money due to awakened order costs alone.

The only way to make money on phials/pots is alchemy experimentation that is fairly cheap and can proc nice phials pots. The problem is after using it 2-3 times you have explosion and 4h CD so you can’t really make much money off that.

I guess some specialization with batch production can somehow make small profits but overall it’s extremely underwhelming. It’s literally better to buy pots/phials off AH than make them because selling herbs nets you better gold rn.

Now, trinkets - the new trinkets are pretty underwhelming and I don’t even think they are worth making at all since you can easily get better from M0+ lmao

Also, crafting orders - while other crafting professions can make good gold of crafting orders, we alchemists have just a few, except one, mostly useless items we can make, so far I haven’t seen a single alchemy order on my server.

I’m very very sad with how this turned out so far

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Altar of decay location is rather frustrating, I agree.

However, as someone who goes through a lot of consumables, I’m very happy with double phial duration and being able to use toxic phials and potions at 50% reduced penalty.

I don’t see any reason why all professions should be gold making tools. If your primary reason for taking professions is to make gold, it surely makes sense to pick the ones that are most profitable.

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Someone needs to craft the pots/phials for AH tho. I don’t think those certain people are doing it because they’re just want to be nice.

So there is definitely a way to make money with alchemy, as the AH is filled with consumables. Maybe you just didn’t invest into the correct specializations or gear or whatever.

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Bro - people who make phials/pots and sell for pennies are making it because they farm everything themselves and they… don’t know better - they should just sell mats on ah and make more money. I did the math, the current prices on AH make no sense.

And you know - at times some things on AH reach level of “below vendor price” - I mean, they are sold for vendor price + 1 s but after AH cut you get less than vendor price. That was e.g. the case with augment runes in SL

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But if they farm the mats for it, and you can sell the mats at a higher price wouldn’t it make more sense to them to just sell the mats? :thinking:

You did the math with your own knowledge, but that is limited.

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I want to remind you that many people disenchanted epic gear in SL even tho mats netted less gold than vendoring it - go figure. People are dumb

Also - phial/pot experimentation can yield good phials and pots for pennies which devalues the price even further

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But the difference is scale. If I have like 5 pieces of gear, I lose like 200g on it so it’s not even worth of researching because it’s just too small of a money.

If I farmed days for herbs and selling it for hundred thousands of gold I’ll do at least some price check.

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“No one should make pots and phails anymore, they should just buy them off the AH”

But watson, if no one is making them anymore then how can we buy them off the AH?

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I have max pihal experiment talent with it I have 2 hour cd. With liquid courage we can reset if we get lucky to get that item. While experimenting we get soulbound pihal of finese etc which we use forever. So I am not making millions with it but I can spend all herbs I gathered and proc some 2-3 star pihals which we can sell on ah.

Point is I am totally newbie in gold making but I found this method to dump all herbs I get into alchemy.

I make healing pots and scrap them again to get reagents again.
Whitherbarke need to craft other item which required for experimenting.
Rest just basic herbs - decay, air etc stuff I dont need atm.

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A lot of what drives the loss is the Region Wide Auction House, because you’re competing against so many people. And there are a few people who have Exploited the Artisan Consortium Rep who are able to craft at a higher Quality.

The good news is, Blizzard are removing the AC Rep Exploit from reset tomorrow. However there is no sign that they are planning on removing the Advantage that the players who have exploited the rep currently hold over everyone.

What I have found with Enchanting (a profession in a similar situation to Alchemy), is that all the profit is in Rank 3 crafts, whilst Rank 2 crafts go slightly at a loss.

The idea is that you max your Inspiration and Resourcefulness, and rely on procs for your profit.

So you craft 10 items and hope that 2 or more Proc at Rank 3 to break a profit. On average I find that 3 out of 10 proc with a fair bit of Resourcefulness topping up the savings.

Last night I was focusing on Sophic Writs, I had about 1.5million invested, and only made about 370k in profits. But when you get a Resonant Crystal or a Awkened Order back, that really softens the blow.

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Ditto. I agree with all you said. Its become a garbage profession to have.

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Makes it more interesting. Seen a few people whining about this, hope the devs dont listen and stick with it.

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inconvenience doesn’t make it interesting.

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You could say that about anything. ‘‘Leveling 1-70 isn’t conveient just make it instant’’

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Ehm… who makes them to put them on the AH!

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