Warlock: Gender Equality issues

Dear Developers,

I am writing to propose an exciting addition to the upcoming World of Warcraft expansion, Season of Discovery. As avid players and enthusiasts of the game, we are continuously thrilled by the immersive experiences and diverse character options you provide. However, I believe there is an opportunity to enhance the gameplay further by introducing a female version of Metamorphosis for Warlocks, paralleling the recent inclusion of different gender counterparts for Succubus and Incubus.

Here’s why it’s important:

  1. Diversity and Inclusion: Representation matters. Offering a female Metamorphosis form ensures all players feel included and represented.
  2. Player Choice: More customization options empower players to create characters that resonate with them.
  3. Narrative Depth: Female forms can enrich storytelling possibilities within Warlock lore, leading to more immersive quests and character development.
  4. Artistic Creativity: Introducing new designs allows your talented artists to showcase their creativity and expand visual aesthetics.
  5. Community Engagement: Implementing player suggestions strengthens community bonds and demonstrates a commitment to player satisfaction.

Thank you for considering this proposal. We look forward to experiencing this exciting addition in Season of Discovery.

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LOL, if they do it, I hope they will be hot and not like those delusional, blue-haired, obese people from the rainbow fantasy land. Edit: Nicely written by ChatGPT though.

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I do not mind about any form. There is no need to sexualize such form as they did with Succubus :slight_smile: But yes hihi :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

It’s a form you turn into…not a gender identity. Where do we go next with these gender equality issues for fantasy characters? I for one am pretty happy I don’t have to see druid shape shift genitals swinging about to determine if their male or female.

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Maybe the demon does not have a gender, the same way as angels?

Idk, just a thought.

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I do play for female human warlock. I finaly has option to summon a male Incubus and not Succubus. Why Should I play for Giant male Metamorphosis when I play for female character? I bet a lot of players would like to have the same choice as we have with demons now.

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Did you just assume that the demon is Male? That sounds rather offensive and intrusive of you to assume such a thing!

Btw who are the “we” you’re talking about in your OP? It’s as if your post was not written by yourself, but rather a community…

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What makes it defined as a male metamorphis form tho? Could just be a really well built female for all we know, or genderless. Druids have the same issue where their forms are just that…a form they shape into.

I see what you are coming from with immersion for your character, but to call it a gender equality issue is pretty wild in my opinion.

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I also see where his post is coming from, and it definitely isn’t “immersion”, that’s the excuse

I am very sorry but it definitely has male shapes :dotted_line_face:

Please supply proof it is male. I thought it was the same sex your character is.

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I am sorry, did you just assume that a certain shape defines gender?
I find that to be extremely offensive! What do you have to say to female bodybuilders then? Do they now belong in the Male category because they worked to have their body shapes different from what people like you consider to be female shapes?
As far as I know, no shape should make someone define what gender someone is!

In your opening post you wrote this:

" Diversity and Inclusion"

As a reason for your post. So are now female bodybuilders subjected to discrimination from what you may categorize as being a woman simply because they have a different body shape?

It sounds like you are contradicting yourself!

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So what sex is a voidwalker or imp?

Are hunter pets male or female? I don’t see the parts on them.

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I got your point. It was a nice try.
If you’d review Meta form you’d understand.
It has nothing common with well build and sportive women.

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It has everything to do with it! You are assuming the Meta form is a male, althought no one, not even the designers behind the Meta form, have said anything like that.
I gave you the example of Angels. Angels do not have gender. This means you may think one is Male or Female, but it doesn’t make it so. the Metamorphosis demon may well be the same thing.

Or are you saying that now, genderless beings do not have a place in WoW? Because if that is so, again, you are not supporting diversity and inclusion, are you? You are discriminating against beings that have no gender. Should we get rid of the Imp and the Voidwalker then? Dottie asked about them, and I ask too, should we define if they are Male or Female, or should we accept the possibility that they too, may not have a gender?

Just because the Meta form may have a humanoid appearance, it does not mean you should just assume it has the biology of a Human being and thus, you should not assume that it is male or female. THAT is being inclusive. THAT is accepting diversity.

Take your woke posts somewhere else next time please, that nonsense doesn’t work here.

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and this is brilliant way how developers made these demons. It’s just that some things are obvious, let’s face it. I noted the story about Succubus and Incubus for a reason :dizzy:

Didn’t read. Go touch grass.

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I want sexy lady voidwalker, female night elf model but naked and completly made out of void.

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I’ma be honest, I could actually give a /nod to a suggestion like the one you made, I could. But not based on what you said. Not even close. In fact, if I could initially agree, seeing stuff like what you wrote would just make me change my mind.
You say some things are obvious, and you are right, some things are indeed obvious. For example, the fact that your OP was written not by someone who cares about the game, but by a “social warrior”, aka “woke”. And I can explain why that is the case:

  • Your title mentions “gender equality”, one of the flags woke people ride under. A proper WoW player would look at the game and see characters like Sylvanas Windrunner, Jaina Proudmoore, and countless others, and understand that “gender equality” has never been an issue in the game (look up those names, maybe you’ll understand).
  • Your first reason to sustain the idea you propose is “Diversity and Inclusion”. Two more banners of the woke propaganda. A proper WoW player would know, even with little experience, that there are plenty of moments within the game where those topics are addressed, even if those words are not specifically used (since they aren’t needed, the context itself does it), from the quest NPC that you help be accepted within his/her clan or whatever, to an entire race being helped with integration (Undeads on their starter quests, for example).
  • Your third reason, Narrative Depth, is explained as “Female forms can enrich storytelling”. This is both pure bs and also incredibly shallow. Pure BS since it is not a “form”, let alone a “female form”, that will enrich storytelling. Thrall doesn’t need to transform into a Dragon to make his story richer. Jaina doesn’t need to have a dolphin “form” to make her story richer. It’s a poor excuse that you included in an attempt to make your idea sound valid. And let me go one step further and add that, had you said “Females can enrich storytelling”, the statement would be entirely true. But as I said, that has been done and keeps being done, since WoW is an inclusive and diverse game in its essence, and always has been.

The rest of your points are true regardless of the suggestion being made, and do not have anything that makes them any truer here, so they’re there just to increase the number of apparent reasons. They are a bad attempt at making your case sound more solid than it is.

And now let me finish my post with one final thought, summing up all that I just wrote:
You, and the “we” that you mention in your post, don’t care about the game. You care about your agenda. You do not appreciate the game and are not making suggestions to try to improve it. You, as all woke people, are trying to display virtue, nothing more, nothing less. You are attempting to show that you are above the common mortals who are less virtuous since they do not care for social causes, for the “oppressed”, for the “unfortunate”. And as I said before, that woke nonsense doesn’t work here. So, as a final advice: next time you make a suggestion, make it to improve the game, not to display your alleged virtues. In fact, if we take the premise that suggestions are supposed to improve the quality of the game, you are actually less virtuous than virtually everyone who actually makes suggestions with the intent of improving the game, since you are not worried about the game, and do not care about it. If you see the game as the “oppressed”, you would be the definition of the “oppressor”.

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