Good morning brothers in fel and shadow!
I mean, is anyone here? Anyone playing as a warlock?
First of all, i'd like to talk about numbers of warlock. Legion, WoD, i could see a lot of warlocks. LFR's, Random dungs, BG's, Arenas. Now, i feel like i'm alone in the party, it;s so rare to see another warlock in the team. 3 warlocks in random dung? Forget it
Second of all, mythic + invitation. I got the feeling noone really wants warlocks anymore. So many people are like: lf rdps p.s no warlock
First major patch is, in my mind, chance for some changes, trying to fix current state of our class. So far, we didn't even get a new race in the horde that can be warlock( About Zandalari i'll cry in the another post)
What about spec? Just cosmetic changes? Everyday i can see a lot of posts, yet Blizzard is not reacting on any single one. We don't want to play affliction 3rd expansion in a row, almost 6th year in a row. Yet no changes for demonology, no changes for destruction. Again, Affliction will rule for another time.
WE DON'T HAVE FUN ANYMORE! We're paying for this game as well, yet.... we're not getting anything back. Hunters are getting so much pet updates, and we're walking with same imp for another year.
Demonology? Bring back WoD one, Pandaria one, Cata one, WOTLK one, just do something with it
So many thing that are wrong...
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Raise my fellow fel warlocks! We need to be vocal to change something. On the other hand ...
No king rules forever my son ...
No king rules forever my son ...
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idk i quite like demonology atm it's really fun spec i feel like a ranged rogue poking my enemies to death with demons
07/11/2018 12:56Posted by Vrysimidk i quite like demonology atm it's really fun spec i feel like a ranged rogue poking my enemies to death with demons
Wait for 120, when you'll feel useless for any kind of raids or mythic +
I'll never understand how people can find spamming shadowbolt and hand of Gul'dan fun. You're not even summoning anything impressive its a boring gameplay compared to MoP/WoD07/11/2018 12:56Posted by Vrysimidk i quite like demonology atm it's really fun spec i feel like a ranged rogue poking my enemies to death with demons
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07/11/2018 13:40Posted by Navysilan07/11/2018 12:56Posted by Vrysimidk i quite like demonology atm it's really fun spec i feel like a ranged rogue poking my enemies to death with demons
Wait for 120, when you'll feel useless for any kind of raids or mythic +
Demo is pretty amazing at M+, especially on fortified... Why don't you actually try it instead of constantly crying about it.
The current version of demonology is surely better than the garbage legion offered, but it's still miles away from the old good mop/wod days.
Even for destro, some spells made a comeback (like shadowburn), even if nowhere as useful as once, but it's still miles away from the fun I had in mop/wod with all the CC, running away, havoc CB sniping and self heal with ember tap.
Here I'm talking exclusively from a gameplay point of view. To me the damage is secondary if the spec is fun to play.
Even for destro, some spells made a comeback (like shadowburn), even if nowhere as useful as once, but it's still miles away from the fun I had in mop/wod with all the CC, running away, havoc CB sniping and self heal with ember tap.
Here I'm talking exclusively from a gameplay point of view. To me the damage is secondary if the spec is fun to play.
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07/11/2018 19:26Posted by MetalnutzThe current version of demonology is surely better than the garbage legion offered,
At least Legion Demo worked as intended, which would mean it was better than the current, also at least some of your damage was not tied to AI (burst, dots) I think legion demo was sub par but I think BFA went one step further into being awful by focusing on making it WAY to orientated around pet summoning all together. from a PLAY PoV Legion was just more intuitive and had more going for it than the garbage we have now, which cant actually function outside of aoe fights (because you have no control over any of your damage and your pets are too dumb to trust to work)
I felt i actually had control over what was happening in legion and their was some fun load outs that worked well (i mained it in legion purely out of hating the idea of the redesigned affliction that we still have. . . .which is really boreing to play to a point id rather just not play at all)
don't sell me BFA demo is better than legion Demo best was MoP>WoD then Legion was mehh but still more entertaining than the other specs for me.. BFA demo is unbearable and makes me just hate the damn game when i play it
07/11/2018 17:23Posted by AtriohmDemo is pretty amazing at M+, especially on fortified... Why don't you actually try it instead of constantly crying about it.
Problem with your statement is this. yes it might be okay in M+ but nearly every other spec in the game functions well in ALL content, i can play on any spec on my rogue and function well enough to be competitive in raid , M+ , PVP I think it kinda proves a point that when your only use is in a very VERY small portion of game content available that it isn't really that good dude . thats basically me saying your a one trick pony who has no place in most of the game content .
M+ a very small portion of the game? LOL!
07/11/2018 20:58Posted by AtriohmM+ a very small portion of the game? LOL!
Yes, and just like your contribution to this forum.
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07/11/2018 20:58Posted by AtriohmM+ a very small portion of the game? LOL!
Ehhh YES it is.. M+ is ONE thing among many things people do in this game, my point is, on pretty much every other character I have to play on, I can play any content in any dps spec and be capable of being effective, would you even dream of taking a demo lock to most raids fights atm?? no because it would be gimping your self. maybe YOU do lots of M+ and nothing else so to you its everything??? maybe? but you have to consider that on any other spec in the game atm, you are not pigion holed into only being good at an incredibly small portion of available content you can do
as a mage,rogue,warrior I can do PvP on any spec, DPS in any PvE content in any spec, sure one spec might have a "bonus" advantage in situational points of content but its no where near the point that its nonviable, that is exactly where demo is, pigeon holed into one one bit of content im able to play and not be ineffective while being useless outside of it, and even in M+ as demo, your only good if its fortified which again sells the point Atriohm, its arguably the worse spec to play in this game atm if you wish to main it because you will only be wanted for something THAT limited.
Why bother playing a Warlock anymore? Rerolled Shaman, enjoying the game.
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07/11/2018 17:23Posted by Atriohm07/11/2018 13:40Posted by Navysilan...
Wait for 120, when you'll feel useless for any kind of raids or mythic +
Demo is pretty amazing at M+, especially on fortified... Why don't you actually try it instead of constantly crying about it.
07/11/2018 17:23Posted by Atriohm07/11/2018 13:40Posted by Navysilan...
Wait for 120, when you'll feel useless for any kind of raids or mythic +
Demo is pretty amazing at M+, especially on fortified... Why don't you actually try it instead of constantly crying about it.
I play demo a lot, it's damage is awesome(look at my logs for proof), but it takes 3x times much more work to do that dmg while affli and other specs can do it with closed eyes.
In TERMS OF GAMEPLAY, demo is AWFULL, worst iterration ever! Best Demo is MoP/WoD Demo, BfA Demo is a garbage, it will never work in pvp, it will be subpar in pve forever.
08/11/2018 08:08Posted by Manikkess07/11/2018 17:23Posted by Atriohm...
Demo is pretty amazing at M+, especially on fortified... Why don't you actually try it instead of constantly crying about it.07/11/2018 17:23Posted by Atriohm...
Demo is pretty amazing at M+, especially on fortified... Why don't you actually try it instead of constantly crying about it.
I play demo a lot, it's damage is awesome(look at my logs for proof), but it takes 3x times much more work to do that dmg while affli and other specs can do it with closed eyes.
In TERMS OF GAMEPLAY, demo is AWFULL, worst iterration ever! Best Demo is MoP/WoD Demo, BfA Demo is a garbage, it will never work in pvp, it will be subpar in pve forever.
Demo has always required more effort than the other 2 specs. This is one of the reasons that it's always been more fun and engaging.
But... it doesn't require anywhere near the amount of effort that it used to, not by a long shot. You can pretty much play it blindfolded on muscle memory alone.
08/11/2018 10:22Posted by Atriohm08/11/2018 08:08Posted by Manikkess...
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I play demo a lot, it's damage is awesome(look at my logs for proof), but it takes 3x times much more work to do that dmg while affli and other specs can do it with closed eyes.
In TERMS OF GAMEPLAY, demo is AWFULL, worst iterration ever! Best Demo is MoP/WoD Demo, BfA Demo is a garbage, it will never work in pvp, it will be subpar in pve forever.
Demo has always required more effort than the other 2 specs. This is one of the reasons that it's always been more fun and engaging.
But... it doesn't require anywhere near the amount of effort that it used to, not by a long shot. You can pretty much play it blindfolded on muscle memory alone.
That's why MoP/WoD Demo was perfect.
I wouldn't say it was perfect but MOP was good... WOD, not so much. In WOD, it was a skeleton by comparison.
I cba giving serious warlock feedback anymore since any feedback got ignored from the start of beta.
Warlock is not enjoyable at all. We are supposed to be tanky casters, controlling the offense of enemies in PvP and rot them down. You consider Warlock as the counterpart to mage. Mages initiate offensive plays and warlocks control the situation to dismantle the enemies and kill them over time with higher sustained pressure.
In the end there is no content I enjoy right now. PvP is a huge joke and disappointment. Even watching r1 warlocks stucking on 2.2k rating because they play how the class is supposed to be played (means not teaming up with a mage and druid and run away for 2 min to get one 100 stack drain off) is not any fun because you sit there and slap your forhead whenever the lock gets oneshot.
Having blizzard sit there and not giving a sh*t since beta is just embarrassing for a company of that calibre. They could have hotfixed warlocks pretty much instantly, at least so they survive more than 10 sec but instead they do nothing and let everyone suffer until 8.1.
Most warlocks I know stopped playing, few of them just rerolled. And it is not because they think warlock will stay bad after 8.1, it is because they are so pissed off by the class design and the carelessness of blizzard for the whole first PvP season.
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I’m almost exalted with proudmoore and that is the only reason i do wq or raids with my warlock for my druid , i just play him only for transmorg farm achievment for old raids and dungeons
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Actually, warlock is not that bad, or atleast no that catastrophycally bad as some of you are saying. (Talking about pve, at pvp it’s pretty awful cuz lack of tools to kite and survive)
On pve side, all 3 specs are VIABLE on raid and m+, maybe demon can fall a bit behind due to the lack of an interrupt in some high keys (talking about +15-18), but otherwise it should be fine and it gives some aoe burst dmg comparable to a dh, obviously not that much burst but you also have more sustained aoe than a dh. As aff you maybe lack a bit on aoe burst but u have insane st burst, but you’re pretty cd dependant to do dmg.
At uldir, you actually can play all 3 specs and do nice with all of them, the reason that demo falls a bit behind it’s because its niche right now is stacked aoe and there is no boss that have that, even so, unless you’re on a top guild, you should have no problem to play demo. As aff and destro you got plenty of fights that favours you on top of other clases.
It’s true that we should get some changes, quality of life changes like making some talents baseline (demonic portal and instant shadowfury cast or mortal coil) and maybe some mechanical changes in order to make rotations a bit funnier, mainly affly since right now it’s brainless outside of cds, put 3 dots haunt and ua then sb for 3 min, you got no interactions with any procs or buffs that makes you to need to do some planning with your resources.
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I’ve lost my sanity long time ago, that’s why I’m still playing this class.
THough I can only handle demo right now, I just don’t like the way destro and affli are right now.
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