Well, I am not going to say what I really think about it because that would resolve in a ban on the forums. Because blizzard wants everyone to be in a happy place. Except for if you are alliance, because burn the alliance.
But yeah get rid of WM or bring balance. But probably will talk to deaf ears and a few pro hard pogo stick WM horde who only want WM for the easy-4-on-1-kills.
PvE players tend not to have fun in Warmode
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Another 'I am pro' rogue that only kills while he superiorly outnumbers his opponent. Great.
Lovely assumptions, could you be more salty?
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24/09/2018 13:00Posted by DraglasLovely assumptions, could you be more salty?
Ofcourse I could. What a dumb question.
here, you happy now?
Yikes
Thing is, I don't mind pvp. I like pvp. Aswell as WPVP. I can say it over and over again to find every pro WM always will respond with things like ' if you are a pve player, turn it off.' or 'You chose to play with WM on' etc. etc.
I don't mind to be killed or ganked. I do it myself sometimes aswell. But (almost) everywhere I go, it is the other way arround because you see you are overrun by the enemy. And this is because of overpopulation on horde side. It should be more 50-50 if you would have a normal pvp situation. In what other pvp game, shooter or whatever, would it be like this? None. Because people would not play it.
So it is all fun and games to say, just turn it off, or don't be salty, or don't cry, or whatever. But this does not work. Period. Guess I should either keep getting slaughered every 10 yards or turn it off then.
So then I suppose I will keep it on, and keep getting killed. Why not.
I don't mind to be killed or ganked. I do it myself sometimes aswell. But (almost) everywhere I go, it is the other way arround because you see you are overrun by the enemy. And this is because of overpopulation on horde side. It should be more 50-50 if you would have a normal pvp situation. In what other pvp game, shooter or whatever, would it be like this? None. Because people would not play it.
So it is all fun and games to say, just turn it off, or don't be salty, or don't cry, or whatever. But this does not work. Period. Guess I should either keep getting slaughered every 10 yards or turn it off then.
So then I suppose I will keep it on, and keep getting killed. Why not.
I cannot count how many times I've been doing a World Quest, only for a group of Alliance to show up and dumpster me, happens regularly. But what are they supposed to do? World PvP isn't supposed to be balanced, that's why we have organized PvP modes. Constantly having to watch my back is half the fun. Unless they do some Mercenary WPvP mode or something then I can't imagine what they could do about it.
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24/09/2018 13:38Posted by Hilversumyou see you are overrun by the enemy. And this is because of overpopulation on horde side. It should be more 50-50 if you would have a normal pvp situation.
It can never be 50:50. Also one cannot create a wpvp environment which is free from the danger of being overrun. In woltk I played on a realm which was like 30: 70 horde-ally and I was horde. No one ever complained, rather focused on creating wpvp guilds. Mind that a focused group with a leader that knows what he's doing can beat a larger group which is not focused.
The solution now is to use LFG tools and join a wpvp community.
But do not expect even numbers because it's an open world, not instanced pvp.
Grouping up when required via LFG is the solution.
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17624092387
My fear for an alternative Blizz solution... forced sharding out, phasing to maintain 50/50% + or - a few for "balance". That could be a War Mode wrecker. Because there could theoretically be a 40 v 1 raid in one part of a zone, and 40 v 1 in another part of a zone, to make any difference to balance, the phasing would have to be specific to local sections of zones. Nothing else makes sense for "balance". When I (rarely) encounter phasing during a fight, I feel cheated. It's terrible, the worst thing in WPvP. If that increased to be the new normal... heck. Balance issues are nothing compared to it. It would have to be local phasing/sharding, because nothing else would guarantee 50/50. That's not WPvP, that's a battleground. If WPvP was an open battleground situation with only PvP objectives (want it), fair enough. But it's not it's PvP+PvE, and has it's own gameplay. So in one part of a zone, players are gonna phase out while you fight them, and phase in somewhere else, just to maintain "balance". Ermergerd... can you imagine? That would be a disaster for War Mode. You already have a solution that doesn't require this, LFG. Maybe Horde use it more than Alliance.
It's one of those be careful what you wish for situations.
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17624092387
My fear for an alternative Blizz solution... forced sharding out, phasing to maintain 50/50% + or - a few for "balance". That could be a War Mode wrecker. Because there could theoretically be a 40 v 1 raid in one part of a zone, and 40 v 1 in another part of a zone, to make any difference to balance, the phasing would have to be specific to local sections of zones. Nothing else makes sense for "balance". When I (rarely) encounter phasing during a fight, I feel cheated. It's terrible, the worst thing in WPvP. If that increased to be the new normal... heck. Balance issues are nothing compared to it. It would have to be local phasing/sharding, because nothing else would guarantee 50/50. That's not WPvP, that's a battleground. If WPvP was an open battleground situation with only PvP objectives (want it), fair enough. But it's not it's PvP+PvE, and has it's own gameplay. So in one part of a zone, players are gonna phase out while you fight them, and phase in somewhere else, just to maintain "balance". Ermergerd... can you imagine? That would be a disaster for War Mode. You already have a solution that doesn't require this, LFG. Maybe Horde use it more than Alliance.
It's one of those be careful what you wish for situations.
I don't enjoy Warmode either, Atleast not on the weekdays, then I just wanna do my wqs in peace.
Buuuuut on the weekend its fun to hunt Hordes :)
Buuuuut on the weekend its fun to hunt Hordes :)
Allaince chose themselves not to participate.
24/09/2018 15:40Posted by ElleceaI don't enjoy Warmode either, Atleast not on the weekdays, then I just wanna do my wqs in peace.
Buuuuut on the weekend its fun to hunt Hordes :)
Exactly, you choose when it's off or on, so easy :)
24/09/2018 15:49Posted by SakkreAllaince chose themselves not to participate.
I've seen plenty Alliance doing their part, just my experience after lots of WPvP on many shards. Or they don't know the solution, LFG :) To some it's obvious, but I know many don't realize it's even there, or they do, but choose not to use it, or use it ineffectively. It takes that little extra bit of effort, and it's too much for some. But it solves the balance issue.
When there's concentrated imbalance in one area, are the opposing force using LFG? Probably. Often, I join a group, and when outnumbered, have to prompt the leader to put us in LFG. It's something many don't know how to use, maybe worse in Alliance for some reason. Just speculating.
Or there could be a concentration in a wider area. There could for example be Horde concentrated in a general area near their base for wqs, not even grouped (yet). With Alliance spread out doing their wqs over the whole zone. Or some Horde have grouped up to dominate a wq area. And Alliance have done nothing about it. That is natural distribution, but will look like imbalance to some. It's natural imbalance, part of WPvP, and is countered by grouping up, and LFG is the way to do that.
The alternative... shudder... forced balance in WPvP local areas, opponents phasing in and out to maintain the balance... no thanks. That is what it would take to guarantee balance in any one particular section of a zone.
It's not blizzards fault that the majority of the alliance players are sissy and most people always wants to be on the winning side
So yes, a lot more that plays on warmode will faction change and play on freemode instead
So yes, a lot more that plays on warmode will faction change and play on freemode instead
24/09/2018 16:27Posted by ShwoshIt's not blizzards fault that the majority of the alliance players are sissy and most people always wants to be on the winning side
So yes, a lot more that plays on warmode will faction change and play on freemode instead
I must be playing a different game, or maybe it's because I'm in a WPvP community and pretty much only interact with Alliance that want to WPvP. We have the tools - LFG + communities + guild + friends + general chat + localdef chat.
24/09/2018 16:34Posted by VaeynI must be playing a different game, or maybe it's because I'm in a WPvP community and pretty much only interact with Alliance that want to WPvP. We have the tools - LFG + communities + guild + friends + general chat + localdef chat.
Try convince the majority of alliance players here. Everyone of them are speaking about how unfair everything is but they never start to question what they can do to change the situation. The horde doesnt really need a wpvp community atm, most know what to do. But im happy you guys are doing something to change the "loser mentality" of your faction.
Cheers :)
24/09/2018 23:56Posted by Grobian24/09/2018 16:34Posted by VaeynI must be playing a different game, or maybe it's because I'm in a WPvP community and pretty much only interact with Alliance that want to WPvP. We have the tools - LFG + communities + guild + friends + general chat + localdef chat.
Try convince the majority of alliance players here. Everyone of them are speaking about how unfair everything is but they never start to question what they can do to change the situation. The horde doesnt really need a wpvp community atm, most know what to do. But im happy you guys are doing something to change the "loser mentality" of your faction.
Cheers :)
I hear ye, ye, working on it :)
24/09/2018 23:56Posted by Grobian24/09/2018 16:34Posted by VaeynI must be playing a different game, or maybe it's because I'm in a WPvP community and pretty much only interact with Alliance that want to WPvP. We have the tools - LFG + communities + guild + friends + general chat + localdef chat.
Try convince the majority of alliance players here. Everyone of them are speaking about how unfair everything is but they never start to question what they can do to change the situation. The horde doesnt really need a wpvp community atm, most know what to do. But im happy you guys are doing something to change the "loser mentality" of your faction.
Cheers :)
I hear ye, working on it :)