If Blizzard does not react, 2s and 3s will die during Dragonflight.
There aren’t many more active people in these two modes.
The main reason being that the Solo Shuffle drains too many players.
Solo Shuffle should not have the same rewards as the regular arenas, and should give less conquest points.
At the moment, 2s is absolutely dead, and 3s only attracts players wanting the gladiator mount and AWC players.
It’s sad to see everyone playing alone, in a less interesting and skillful game mode than the regular arenas with mates.
This just shows you how flawed 2s/3s are, if a game mode this far from perfect gets released and drains all the players, eventhough they have to sit 30mins queues.
You and me may have people to play other brackets with, but most people don’t and it’s actually really hard to find any, if you have no credentials. Solo shuffle doesn’t make them jump through hoops and beg people to give them a chance, eventhough they have no prior exp, they simply log in, queue it up and send some spicy dam (unless they face wintraders of course, which seem to be a huge problem at low mmr, according to the source “trust me bro”).
Double dps and triple dps comps have been kind of a niche for a very long time in 2s and 3s. Most famous being RM in 2s, but even that is kind of a niche compared to the healer comps.
So you can assume there are many people who aren’t interested in playing full dps comps in the normal 2s and 3s ladders (except for the most casual of players that trolls around 1k rating), and thus would naturally not be playing the normal ladders when they can’t find healers to play with.
And then look at shuffle. It’s also suffering from a massive lack of healers. So wouldn’t that normally make you think the root cause of the normal ladders “dying” has more to do with the lack of healers?
In simpler words, the lack of healers is making all rated game modes suffer. It isn’t that shuffle is “draining all the players away”, it’s just that people can’t find healers to queue up with, and that goes for shuffle too as proven by the queue times and lazy changes by blizz to the matchmaking settings.
Or do you seriously think the lack of healers is only causing problems in the shuffle game mode?
I don’t think losing 3% of the playerbase that are the pvp players is going to hurt them too much. The casuals leaving over lack of open world stuff to do is a much more serious issue for them right now.
definetly has nothing to do with idiot proof class design for melee only, zugzug and burst meta which is really great to get new players into pvp.
pvp just aint fun if you want to play 2s and aint a rogue/war or any melee with ms.
same for 3s play meta or dont play at all kills any base pvp community and went on to long.
Now you have only glads/r1 left and their alt’s congratz. You got what you cried for.
Nobody wanna play 2s or 3s anymore, get over it.
The LFG tool is archaic, people were too picky, and too toxic. And this turned people away from it in the long run, me included.
I’m never ever gonna use LFG again, while Solo Shuffle exists. Yes it’s sad somehow, but it is what it is.
If you didn’t have a Bnet full of pvpers, LFG was a real hassle to deal with.
I wanna log in the game, sign up for a match , and hop into the arena.
No “link me your gamer CV” bs, no trash talk disband after the first loss, no 10 declines in a row because people “PvP Check” you before deciding whether they invite you or not.
No, just sign up, and get down to business. No need to deal with overly picky players anymore. You know, those 2.2xp players who look for an AT LEAST 2.5xp mate in order to play. No thanks. No more of this, the dream.
I think its more to do with players being sick of sitting in LFG for hours only for their team to disband after 2 or 3 games.
The majority of players now - I would say - are long term players, meaning older, meaning less time to play. So people would rather queue Solo Shuffle whilst doing other things than potentially not play at all by sitting in LFG.
There needs to be a tool for searching for like minded players who can essentially make a profile to be searched, so groups can be formed. Those players can put their playing times up, their classes/specs they can play, their legitimate experience and be sent messages even whilst offline. So people can arrange to log on together, group straight away, and jump in to normal arenas.
Example of a profile would be;
“Character Name”
Highest account rating: 2436 (“Class the achieved that on”)
Average account rating: 2212 (based on your top 1-5 characters)
Times Available: 21:00 - 23:30 (realm time)
Days Available: Monday-Friday
Message Player button: this then sends whatever message, and a link to your profile.
it just means that actually not many people like 3s and 2s (to unbalanced).
most people also dont have partners so 3s for them is not much different than ss bisdes not needing to find random partners.
3s is trash and game should be balanced around 2s b3cause they are much more accessible but the balance is so bad that everyone hates it. dont @me at pve frst becaus3 ss and 3s are also just pveing unhealable dmg into each other pressing all cds first global
so do you for half the seasons, the difference is I dont play ele anymore or pvp itself cause just fed up. I also played SP/affli/holy Pala/resto or whatever I felt like, when its fun, it just isnt anymore.
Before there was a lot of double dps comp possible in 2s and playable at 2k4 but this xpac it’s impossible except rm and still pretty hard.
For example I play sub/sp with my mate since bfa s4 every season we go for 2k1 for the enchant but this xpac legit impossible to get past 1k7 1k8 cause everything is way too tanky.
can use CD while in cc
got a button with a ridiculous low CD to top them self often
the dmg is way too insane for most spec so you can’t survive enough time to kill
impossible to kite or line cause they added spell that hit through Los and overloaded toolkit with ridiculous mobility
also too much button that provide immunity as well.
People don’t play 2s 3s obviously cause if you got no mate you can’t play and shuffle let you play whatever but having to play alone with no strategy and no team play in a mmo makes no sense.
What should we expect from the devs that ruined multiple xpac in a row.
