I’m torn between making a rogue or a warrior I know rogues are always been god tier and pvp but what about warriors are they the same level as they were in vanilla or sod made them better?
Warrior is on the same level they were in Vanilla.
The problem is that all other classes are on the Cataclysm level.
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Don’t listen to the guy above. Warriors are probably S tier in pvp right now while everyone else is A.
Some of them have been asking for some buffs (unjustifiably) since p1 but as some ppl point out, like Shivette, they will scale even better by naxx time (based on the 20yo version of the game that has nothing to do with sod in terms of class balance). So you can invest now, w8 6-7 or even 10 months and BOOM!
(ofc others might scale too, since blizz is giving left and right new skills with high base dmg or good coef., but you’ll have those guys’ “guaranty” that you’ll scale in some months and all will be fine)
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just play rogue and have fun unironically, hunter will just eat nerfs and warrior who knows
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They can be good with a pocket healer.
But rogues are so much better in solo pvping. World pvp warriors are worse. Esp in 1vs1 situations.
Since you have to trade pve runes for pvp runes. Like warbringer for exampel which is a “must have” in pvp.
Meathook is fun and neat. But you need to have 15 rage to use it and you have to time in bloodrage before to use it if u didnt start the fight before. Meathook can also missed,parried,dodge,ressisted or out of reach so its not 100% chance u will be able to use it.
Many charges are fun. But keep in mind that slow effects slows down charges (even tho its not suppose too). Like hunter traps or what have you.
…You’re kidding, right?
Warriors aren’t S tier, at all.
Also not entirely true. Rogue is in a better spot than warrior in both PVP and PVE, but Warriors aren’t as bad in PVP as they were in Vanilla.
Still behind every other class in 1v1, but reasonably decent in a team.
On top of this, the slows that a warrior has are both only 50% movement speed reduction, everybody else has 70%. You have to burst somebody quickly when you get on them, because they can just walk away otherwise.
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lol War are not S tiers its a joke ?
war is currently suffering from what we might call main person syndrome. you will only have fun in war if you have a healer or buffs. You will be forced to use your shield wall against all classes in a one vs one situation. The warrior has more mobility than in vanilla but he remains too dependent on rage, if you like one vs one does not make a warrior.
thanks for the answers.
jesus christ. you guys haven’t heard of smt called sarcasm or what?
is it so hard to understand what i’m saying on how warrs was horrible since p1 in pvp and you had to “w8 half year for endgame to scale” and now you have to w8 even more?
As a warrior, we’re not terrible, but not great either (gladiator). Warbringer has been a godsend to help us in pvp. A big problem is that a few “bugs/features” still exists, two that i can think immidiately.
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Slowmo charge.
If you’re slowed while charging, you’ll slowmo run to your charge target, locking you in the animation and movement. It lets whoever you charge have no problem creating a gap between you while you slowly make your way to the position they were in, wasting the charge/intercept stun DR. -
Meathook causing immunity.
If you use your meathook, your target has a short span of time where you cannot do any stuns or CC at all on them. It’s probably due to Meathook giving a buff to prevent your target to be stunned in place while you’re pulling them, but it last a bit longer than it should.
xD “Just wait 6 more months so your class will be god tier for 3 months!!!”
The mobility is good, the damage is mediocre-good. The survivability is trash and the cc susceptibility is bad. Ok, the fear immunity is nice but even warlocks have better ways to keep warriors in range like succ. Someone mentioned that Hamstring is the worst snare effect in the game - 100% accurate. Rage generation in vanilla is okay. You are almost forced to sit in Berserker Stance (10% more damage taken!!!). Enraged regeneration have 3 minutes cooldown.
Also, the rune placement is weird for example:
You cant have Endless Rage and Taste for Blood because both are Helmet rune
You cant have Warbringer at the same time with Blood Frenzy so, you have to choose between Mobility or rend doing more damage than 20 per tick.
Some Warriors decided to play pvp in Gladiator Stance because it boosts survivability and removes the stance dancing, but it requires PVE TANK (!!!) gear because of Shield Slam scalling with Shield Block Value.
The PvP atm is too fast for warriors to shine because you charge and eliminate the enemy in first 2 gcds or you are dead and the argument of “Take pocket healer with you” is pointless, because you cant fix class problems with other class support. This is the same argument as paladins were crying in basic classic that they dont have damaging abilities and you would say “dood, just take rogue with you so he will do damage for you”.
At 60 you get a pet that heals you and chase your target even if it stealth.
Also a mount you can use in combat to catch up to any pray.
That boot rune Frenzied regen makes you immune to everything while its up.
Oh sorry, was thinking about them paladins…
Warrior, you got a meathook to grip your target. Thats it. Might need to buy second monitor to watch something while waiting for the resstimer and corpserunning.
Rogue is decent, like a paladin but with 0 heals and 0 immunity.
Unless you go for the Carnage wrist rune to put up some bleeding Rupture at your target, hold your breath while it starts to heal you for 30 health every 2 second…
Rage generation in vanilla is okay.
Rage generation in Vanilla is very not okay, Salliracal. If you need to edit posts with censored curses, dont change the context.
Absorbs dont generate rage which means you need to melee swing someone out of the barrier. The amount generated is based on your damage done, so with weak gear and two handed weapon you may generate 7 rage per swing or 30 rage per swing with endgame gear. In SoD every mana user just cant go oom, so warriors are crippled even with their ability usage. Even rogues have stable resource generation. Also, miss/dodge/parry doesn’t generate rage at all.
Dont listen to the people saying warrior is weak in pvp. They are probably pvping in their 0 stamina pve gear in arms spec and then come crying on the forum why they cant beat anyone with their underpowered spec and 4k HP pool.
Warrior is extremly strong even in solo play if you go Prot Spec + Gladiator Stance and have appropriate gear for pvping. (Rank 10 + High top end damage weapon for devastate)
You are extremly tanky due to having shield wall and Last stand, high mobility with warbringer + Charge and Intercept in Gladiator Stance, tons of CC with Concussive Blow and Shockwave and you do really good damage with devastate and Shield Slam resets.
I have been pvping quite abit recently and you can literally go toe to toe with any class right now except maybe a demo warlock or geared moonkin.
I personally dont like that prot spec is the superior pvp spec right now, but saying warriors are weak in pvp is just wrong.
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Yea but don’t you love it when moderators show the real face of this company?
-You make a post about bots going rampant? Don’t use bad words cause snowflakes are offended.
-You make a post about a problematic class/spec/spell? Don’t use bad words cause snowflakes are offended.
-You post smt on someone’s post that has a completely wrong idea of game’s current state? Don’t use bad words cause snowflakes are offended.
-You post about pvp state, afks or w/e? Don’t use bad words cause snowflakes are offended.
Game can be <the product of human’s digestion> but all we care about is flowers, rainbows and unicorns.
Now they even change the meaning of what you want to say to the complete opposite.
Gotta love democracy, the freedom of speech and the abuse of power.
(can’t wait to see the edit on that post too cause ppl might get offended for the text in <>)
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well spoken sir
world of warcraft is missing balls
Ok so I’m going to put you in a 1vs1 situation in arm spec or fury spec?
Maybe not everyone wants to have to play defense to be offensive? Because that’s basically what you’re proposing.
The arm spec was viable from phase 1 to phase 3 including both Pve and Pvp.
Removing the glove rune with infinite rage was the start of trouble, condemning this spec to pvp. MS costs a huge amount of rage and hits abnormally low whether you like it or not.
Pretty much this, a glad stance warrior even in group PvP is insanely good.
Nothing really stands much of a chance vs a BIS PvP geared Boomie in 1v1, not even shamans or palas.
1v1 tier list P4 fully PvP BIS geared would be.
S tier Boomie.
A tier Ele shaman, Enhancement shaman. Ret Pala. Demo lock.
B tier Glad War, Rogue. Chrono frost Mage. SV Hunter.
C tier Arms War. Feral.
I would still put rogue a bir higher than warriors.
Maybe if you go inside a bg and you know you gonna pvp then yes you gonna put the the right runes.
But u you going outside in the world as a warrior you usually have fury with pve tunes and are pretty much screwd. As rogue even without runes.
Its also interesting nobody mention warrior vs mage/shamans. A good mages can kite yoy,cc you. 3 blinks to get away from your 2 charges etc. Shamans bursts just insanely good.
Rogue I feel (even with Perdition’s blade) gets destroyed by boomie, sham, pala, demo lock. Even chrono mage in full defensive gear should honestly win vs them.
Wildcards for me is Feral and Shadowpriest.