Once again, i dont think u actually play sod for more than 20 minutes per week.
BRO, how can I do all of those things changing stances, bashing, etc, when at that point I have rage for a disarm im already dead… ??? also what shield bash, as per your example, locks in meta have everything instant cast, and I cant touch them through their insane armor.
I have played a warrior in classic, I don’t play one now. The vid clearly showed some spell/rune interactions that are new. I based my claims on my own experience, you couldn’t beat a warrior standing still before SoD.
Read what I said above, I never saw this interaction myself and I am near exalted with WSG, I’ve done some pvp so far. And the warrior that I play with hasn’t had trouble dealing with mages in group pvp. They fold like paper just like I remember them doing when I played a warrior in Vanilla and Classic.
I beg to differ from the reactions of most people who responded so far to this thread.
And then you went too far with your hyperbole… I know more than the basics of playing a warrior in Classic I just don’t play one atm in SoD. There is a difference.
Oh but you can purge Temporal Beacon which causes them to no longer receive healing from arcane/spellfire damage done and you can also purge Rewind Time. That means they do zero healing to themselves. And you can interrupt the channeled heal.
I was obviously speaking from my experience so far in SoD, teaming with a warrior so far I never ran once into a mage doing stuff like displayed in the video. They just melt and I’ll wager they will melt even harder at 40.
Why are you so hostile? I admitted the OP was right, and having some gaps in knowledge doesn’t mean you have no right to comment. If that was a rule everyone in the world would be mute, try to be more sensible.
Dude, u commenting on a war is useless 1v1 and world pvp thread about war not being useless in group pvp with the right team comp. Everyone has their opinion and the right to affirm it, but u are of toppic, its clear we talk sod, not ancient vanilla from the last millenia, u talk without proof, from your experience with war that was also an millenia ago in vanilla, about a topic u clearly dont know (since u said yourself you are not familliar with that interaction). I dont see the point of contradicting just fo the sake of it and with no backbone behind lol. So just so we are clear wow sod means wow season of descovery not wow system of a down yea ?
Do me a favor and read the title, is it the same thing as what I just quoted you saying?
And since you and the OP are the lore keepers of all knowledge when it comes to WoW I’d expect you to know warrior. was. never. a. 1v1. class.
The fact that you and the OP derail the thread and make it about 1v1 with silly examples is a head on a hat. The title is “Warrior is a joke in PvP”
And that is just not true, hasn’t been true and will most certainly not be true with all the tools wars get.
Have you thought for a second that if warrior was also king in 1v1 it would dominate in group pvp even more? And again PvP is more than just 1v1.
Wolfvy is kinda right sorry to say but It’s not the fact that you commented, it’s the fact that you where so sure of yourself that you rode the hate train on me (with all of the other people that don’t know what they are talking about) that you made statements like this. Not only you insulted my skill and the accurateness of my assessments on warriors, but you also were super sure of yourself.
Because of sheep with no experience in the matter jumping on someone like this blizz can’t balance the game properly and we cant have a proper constructive chat, today you were a minus to the wow community as a whole and there are so many others that do that sadly.
Yea just because there are so many people who attacked me just because they like to be toxic and have no clue what they are talking about doesn’t help your argument.
This is SOD, it’s made to change things up, why can’t I ask blizzard to take another look at this and make some improvements to PVP? Is it ok what u’ve seen in my video? This also happens with so many other classes not just mage.
I mean, if the paladin has all their CDs/mana and you don’t get your crits, there is only so much you will be able to do. I’d go hamstring, kite and charge back instead of fear there though.
You seem very wrapped up in your own little world, so I can understand why’d you’d think so.
By becoming a hamstring bot. Also, bring rage and swiftness potion.
If you’re fighting a meta warlock solo you are dead.
If you’re fighting a normal caster lock and don’t shield bash, followed by charge and stun their fear you’re also dead.
Wow classes are rock/paper/scissors in terms of who counters who.
One would wonder 
And to know that their sole purpose isn’t just killing, but CCing and distracting.
Warrior reach quarter finals in 1v1 hardcore vanilla tournament and u tell me its not a 1v 1 class ? It was an 1v1 class, now it isnt cuz pala get 2 sustain heal, rogues get dmg increase, shama gets 30 percet 2 handed ap on hit while the rune for war is 20 at all times and the lowest kick is the slam proc does not apply on mortal strike, at least they should have more hittin abilities with weapon dmg than pala. Now u need to have 3 healers in pvp so u do not die in the first 3 sec of fight against a pala. Also it was mentioned several times that we refer not to bg but 1v1 cases and world pvp, in bg things are different but even there if u dont have a bit of mobility which warriors dont have, or if u dont have all premades focused on you, u are dead and useless. Too much effort to put in this class to work at bare minimum and with the others u can play them with 1 hand on keyboard. Like i play shama enchancment, at lv 21 with also 1350 hp i can burst a lvl 25 war almost BIS in 5 sec. That is not supposed to happen, it happens beacause people like you affirm their opinions with no knowledge behind.
Again, being wrong about one interaction and admitting so when provided with proof isn’t equal with knowing nothing. You also started the duel with the mage without charging and instead starting in melee and popping blood fury. Also this is level 25, things will change.
Because warriors scale very well with support. If you make warriors just fine on their own you end up with them being broken when supported.
This isn’t surprising in the least, If you wanted to be a 1v1 God you just picked the wrong class sorry to say.
In SOD its more efficient “if possible” to start fight in melee vs mage so you can have a charge after they blink, warriors didnt use to do that before because they couldn’t charge in combat…
That tournament means nothing. Has every class had a chance to duel every other class/player?
No, they had brackets that were determined by a random coin flip. Some classes faced more counters from the start and got shut down early and failed to progress while others had an almost free ride to the top and win. It is ignorant to consider that tournament anything else than entertainment.
Who picked the class for you? Wasn’t it you who decided to play warrior?
That is happening because it is level 25 and some runes being busted. When you get your bread and butter main abilities that served warriors well over so many iterations of the game then we’ll see. And both you and the OP are acting like the datamined stuff doesn’t exist, there is a lot of strong stuff in there, things that in other times would be considered too strong to introduce, so help is on the way so to speak.
What about striving to reach proper balance. While these counters between classes are quirky and fun, they shouldn’t be so decisive and extreme to the point of a rock-paper-scissor, they should add to the depth of combat. Waiting to counter certain abilities, having a different plan of action for each class, this is what it should be about not straight up not having a chance.
Come on man…wariors are bad till they get Mortal strike.
I believe in 40 warriors will pump plus they have a good self healin button now.
That self healing means they get beaten for longer
But if you know the mage is a healer (more or less) and will stand like a turret doing that to you, doesn’t it make sense to start with more rage?
And if they do decide to CC and kite you after the charge and kill you the regular way… well you just lost the same way as a classic warr. You don’t have intercept yet.
What you are asking basically is to kill mages 1v1 which will never happen unless they want warriors to be pvp gods as well.
Is it absurd that mages can kill you that way(standing still), yes for sure, I grant you that
but it is not like you don’t have a lot of tools coming to stand a better chance.
You would have to change so much to the game we now play to achieve that goal that you wouldn’t even recognize the classes anymore. It has been tried over the years with all the expansions WoW had. Everyone started getting gap closers, interrupts, dispells, self heals and it all became a s**t show. There is a reason just about nobody plays live PvP or just a very small niche of hardcore players(compared to the size of the PvE scene)
And frankly SoD is already heading that way somewhat, we are just commenting on an incomplete picture.
Meh, people never really seem to want balance though. They want their class to be top, but not so far ahead that others can complain and they get hit with the nerf bat.
I’m curious what is your solution then? Should warriors chunk people during the charge at level 25? And what happens when they get mortal strike and free slams off whirlwind, whirlwind that they also don’t have now.
I don’t mean this in a sarcastic way, what would you do to make things right for warriors atm?
Doesn’t it make sense to wait and see how things turn out at 40 when they get A LOT of their kit online, and then make changes instead of buffing them now, finding out they are broken at 40 and having to deal with the backlash of all the angry warriors getting nerfed.
Frankly speaking it’s not my job to come up with solutions to this problem. Yes the game is “incomplete” you could say, but are we really going to ignore a problem because of that, and forget all about warriors?
But warriors are hardly forgotten, they are doing great in pve, fine in pvp with adequate support and they are about to transform at 40:
Berserker Rage, Whirlwind, Intercept(with snare removal for pvp), Slam (that is suddenly relevant and useful with the new runes), Pummel, Mortal Strike, Sweeping Strikes.
Buffing warriors now would frankly be irresponsible, and let’s face it, if they would buff them now and they would turn broken at 40 no one would like to then get nerfed.
I know a bit how it feels to miss a decent part of your kit, I played this shaman for two months with no WF for my warrior or myself, no grounding totem, no strong purge, no chain lightning. And while Shaman isn’t the same as warrior for sure especially when it comes to 1v1, it feels incomplete and vulnerable in situations I know it wouldn’t if more of my kit was available.