The fact that so many people disagree on who is to blame and if Syvlanas is justified or not (even from the horde ranks), doesn’t that prove that they did a good job writing so far?
Yes you can go back and recite all the books and details, but people in game don’t know all the facts. The in game characters know only their own version, their own side of the story, so you can’t just judge their actions based on things that happened but they might not know about. In addition, they are biased from their own experiences and traits.
Let alone the fact that there’s not too much education going around in wow from what I understand, so you can’t expect super sophisticated characters. Most people we get in contact with are battle born. Yes, some desire peace, but some others desire war and the fact that many players desire war justifies hostilities to a good extend.
Finally, dont expect game figures to make only good choices. People make bad choices all the time. Even bad choices for their own standards.
As I said skirmishes were already taking place, Silithus, an Alliance airship attacked the warchief in Stormheim - it’s not like she just guessed Horde may be attacked… the attacked were already occurring.
I’m not saying who’s fault the war is, I’m just saying there were already signs the war was back.
Ignoring the fact that such skirmishes were common occurrences before and during peace times. During Thrall, you had skirmishes in Ashenvale and Arathi. Should we go to war on that account? Oh, also, love the Stormheim part.
The Warchief ditched the Alliance king to die, didn’t explain it, then abandoned the Horde to fend for itself as she gallivanted on a val’kyr hunt! Such Warchief, much leadership!
Further more, Sylvanas herself says that the “Boy in Stormwind will not start a war tomorrow.”
But sure, let us escalate skirmishes into a full war unto extinction, that makes sense! So much sense!
“What do you mean I escalated skirmishes into a full out war unto extinction? THE SIGNS TOLD ME TO DO IT!”
According to this logic, the US and the USSR should have gone to war. ALL THE SIGNS WERE THERE!
Direct yourself back to my reply! You also absolutely neglected my argumentation that Sylvanas can not possibly know what the Alliance is thinking, so direct yourself to my other reply too!
The best thing is that Sylvanas does not even address the current situation, she just gives a shopping list of crap from the past.
I would call it lies, but the SDB will call it “a creative and understandable interpretation of the truth.”
A PERFECT cOnTiNuItY of “continuity exists to enhance a story, not to tie the hands of creators” mindset! Top quality development on the full scale attack again!
I dared to write a post about how Waifu is full of crap, now my bones will be scattered across the forums by rabid fanboys during a traditional period of 3 days.
I’m pretty sure if Russia killed American oil miners in the Middle East and also attacked Trump in Airforce One there would be a war.
It wasn’t simply paranoia… her ship was destroyed by Greymane, regardless if she deserved it.
I’m not going round in circles anyway, I can fault Sylvanas for a lot (or the writers of Sylvanas) but she was not incorrect in what she said about a war between Alliance and Horde being inevitable.
Greymane would not leave Sylvanas as the leader of the Horde, especially after the Arathi Forsaken and Human meet up and he had ALREADY attacked her twice in Stormheim. Goblins were being killed in Silithus because they were mining a new mineral, it wasn’t simple idle paranoia.
That is my view on it and I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
P.S. why does this new forum keep switching my characters when logging out/in?!
Learn some history, we are talking about the Cold War period, not now. And you should pick up a book and read about proxy wars and espionage.
OFC, REGARDLESS IF SHE DESERVED IT! What do you mean a known war criminal who has never offered any reparation left an Alliance king to die, and didn’t even bothered with an explanation? Why would Greymane react like that, I don’t get it?
At some point. In the future. Under some circumstances. Maybe. That’s some certainty, it legit is.
Except he did, during entire WOD. I didn’t see Greymane plotting a full out assault during that period, nor does he show any desire to attack her in the novels. That same Greymane walked away from her without hurting her.
Forsaken and human were clashing in Arathi since vanilla.
Wait? Twice? I take it all back, BURN THE HERETIC, HE ATTACKED WAIFU!
Ah, yes, heavily armed goblins kidnapping gnomes and strong enough to massacre entire sentinel squadrons.
I am going to be generous here and ignore all the times you ignored established lore and give you this:
Ps. Oh, Waifu was insulted and Zarao appears. But no, he does not love Sylvanas.
Yes, but to get at Sylvanas, you have to fight the Horde.
If Horde had a problem with Anduin specifically, I wouldn’t be surprised that the Alliance would protect him and see any move made against him as an act of war.
Actually, no, we don’t like Anduin. We also lack the entire “I will shower my warchief’s butt with kisses no matter how wrong they are” element of servility the Horde community is so fond of.
They fight for a set of reasons that not only include their own survival but also take into account past wrongings and grudges.
A Darkspear might not be willing to let go the time their island was invaded by humans. A blood elf might feel vindicated in hating Night elves after what happened in TBC or how they ended up exiled.
Latest quest points at examples of Tauren unwilling to let Taurajo go.
If the Alliance feels entitled to not let go of the Hordes past aggressions, why should Horde factions be forced to do so?
Why should the Horde let go of the time Night elves sabotaged Blood elf defences, if Genn can’t let go of Gilneas?
Greymane destroyed Sylvanas ship (Number 1), he then attacked her from the shadows while she was trying to enslave Eyir (Number 2).
The human-forsaken clash in Arathi I was talking about was the meeting between relatives, where Talia caused a problem and Sylvanas slaughtered all her own people.
I’m done conversing with you anyway, you constantly poke/talk down to the person you’re speaking to rather than their argument, telling me to pick up a book etc.
Enjoy your Alliance echo chamber were poor Zarao is the only person with the patience to try and discuss things with it.
You don’t see my forcing anyone, do you? I am a Draenei, don’t expect me to think that orcs might be vindicated in anything they do, if it involves starting yet another war.
Your perceptive skills are incredible. But if I am saying that Zarao is typing while replying to your already typed post, it is relatively easy to conclude that I am not talking about you.
Alright.
Ah, yes, lovely, I remember. She killed all of her toys because they might feel like leaving. Maybe. Sometimes. Some of them. In the future. I think I am catching a pattern here?
Take him to the altar for all I care, just stop typing nonsense at me!
(I am not saying that you do).