We are completely bloated at the moment what direction is Midnight heading then?

[Uda-uldum]

@Francille-draenor

Except there is pve specific changes as well on tuning when it reads “this does not apply in pvp” just like there is similar for pvp. Some spells do more in pve and some more in pvp to put it short. There is no specific advantage from this to either of them if changes are talent tree reworks changing talent paths, so that is why I said that the game is more than only pvp/pve tuning, technically they could compensate some talent changes by giving flat xx% buff only in pvp/pve for the spec on something but Ive never seen this happen after talent tree changes ruined something so I doubt they care or are just not capable of doing such, in any case the game is more than only numbers tuning that was the point.

That is not what I read.

What I read from tunning patches is:

@Kaivax

CLASSES

As in “general changes to specs”.

And all I read on those is :

@Kaivax

Does not affect PvP combat.

I have NEVER read, since PvP got divorced the following sentence:

“Affects only to PvE combat”.

The General changes ARE the PvE changes. And THEN they apply a PvP modifier to it. AND then there is a 2nd page of changes:

@Kaivax

PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER

What I interpret from this is that they make general PvE changes. And THEN they see if they want to keep it or not in PvP. If they DONT… then they apply the famous “PvP only” tuning. So extra option.

Basically. They tune classes for PvE FIRST. And if that breaks PvP somehow, they apply a modifier to it. So if any of you consider some talent choice (PvE specific) bad for PvP… then what that means is that you guys dont agree with the modifier that should be there. Which is what I have been saying from the very beginning.

I dont see where you see “there are PvE specific changes”. And if you guys want things to work differently, PvE and PvP are so massively different that the only solution is to have a PvP specific talent tree. Or a full 100% divorce. Otherwise we will argue about this PvE vs. PvP situation for ever.