"We don't need cross-faction play, Alliance is fine"

Meanwhile roughly 70% of the 2200+ ladder in arenas for both 2v2s and 3v3s is Horde. :slight_smile:

https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&realm=&rating=2200&ladder=2v2&faction=
https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&realm=&rating=2200&ladder=3v3&faction=

This is a real issue in both PvE and PvP.

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Shhhh conspiracies !! lies !!

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I really miss being alliance. Hope one day they add cross-faction PVE so I can be a gnome :frowning_face:

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I’m actually glad to see another daily new thread on removing factions (not removing them from narrative but instead enabling cross-faction play). I hope people keep on creating more of those and we get those bumped every day so it stays at the top of the forum board for Blizzard to see:)

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It’s time for Blizzard to aknowledge that factions have failed.

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Yet, almost every guide for 90% of the classes for PVP claim that “It doesn’t matter which race you play and racials do not affect gameplay that much”.

Like, I am sure that they say orc warlock is the best for PvP yet, you are not seeing that much of warlocks in 2200+ ladder.

So, what’s the issue then? Issue is that good players are on Horde side or what? How does players being good on Horde side solve issue of factions? They will still remain on Horde side.

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That’s true. Racials do not affect the game that much and you can get away with playing a sub-optimal racial unless you’re competing at the very high level.

The issue is that there was a time period where the Horde racials did make a difference (mostly for PvE), which led to many people switching. Guilds were going Horde, the advantage kept growing. Even though the racials got balanced since then and in many cases the Alliance ones are slightly ahead, the damage has already been done. People have switched Horde, the large player pool gathered there, and it keeps snowballing with every single expansion.

In PvP, I feel like that Horde advantage really began to grow in BfA where you needed PvE gear to PvP, which led to some dedicated PvPers going for the faction that had a stronger PvE presence so that they can gather their gear. In Shadowlands itself, we had season1 where PvErs did arena to gear, so the Horde advantage from PvE would reflect on the state of PvP ladder. Not 100% sure about everything in this paragraph, but that’s my theory on what happened to PvP ladder that historically had more Alliance in it.

If we get the option to play together cross-faction, then players won’t be bound to the choice of playing Horde for a larger player pool. You’ll have some people switching back for the aesthetics they like etc. That should lead to far more balance between factions and even if one somehow maintains a numbers advantage, it doesn’t matter that much since the under-populated faction can still group with them and they won’t feel compelled to swap as well purely because of numbers.

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Okay, I agree with this. I don’t mind cross-faction for that purpose. I just hope that if they do it, it’s strictly going to be PvP thing because I don’t really want to play with alliance as a raider. For me, that ruins the whole meaning of WarCraft.

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Top 100 players =/= the entire faction

Great, now im gonna get mass reported & replied that im a sock for not minmaxing or because i actually care for the casual playerbase

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Not sure why would you get reported for that because that’s true. And do not worry, keep posting because some of us have common sense.

How is the entire 2200+ ladder the “top 100 players”?

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It stands to reason that any area of the game is going to thrive where the bigger player pool is :frowning:

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I’m all for cross-faction but if it’s gonna be enabled there has to be some tuning to pvp racials, or maybe just disable them in arenas. Or maybe allow you to pick any one racial to use in pvp, regardless of race. That’d be dope.

Why ? Because of behavior ? But most of current Horde raiders WERE alliance mains.

You’re already playing with Alliance players that aren’t not appearing as Alliance.

As Scrumbuster said before moving Horde, their heart and soul was still Alliance. So do many raiders.

Also, if you think cross faction makes sense in PVP but not in PVE then I’m sorry to tell you this : It should be other way around, because lorewise, PVE is all aboot cooperating whereas PVP is aboot being at each other’s throat.

Also, I did raid on some kind of dark server where factions are merged. Turns out I couldn’t care aboot my mates being UD or orcs because I simply cared more aboot my rotation and boss mechanics. Only classic raids would allow that.

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I don’t know how you managed raiding alongside all these Alliance NPCs throughout the recent raid tiers, then!

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This is just my recent experience (and from a pve standpoint). I recently put myself as looking for guild, looking for a guild going for curve and then see how far into mythic they can get, nothing hardcore. During the week i was looking i was approached by 1 alliance guild and 5 horde guilds. They say alliance is fine unless u are like really hardcore, but is it? It didnt feel like it to me when trying to find a guild.

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Anything above m+10 and normal raiding is hardcore to some, you know.

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Alliance racials are better actually but you`re forced to be horde if u wanna have teammates to play with

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25% of alliance’s left: Are we a joke to you?!

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