The reason why Blizzard wont add the dungeon find is not in the name of “community” (if you believe this then you’re a mug but to sell more BOOSTS
Lack of levellers is purely the fauly of the 70 boost
Yeah whip out your credit card to skip half the bloomy game.
I have never and will never pay for a boost in a game, the lack of levelers is because we dont have a steady influx of new players like there was back in the day, thats the one thing that made it so people could still find dungeon groups back then without being overly dedicated to it.
And guesse who was a really vocal opponent to the boost being added from the beginning me. Even though I dont like the boost at all and think its a abomination I dont buy into your conspiracy theory, if they wanted to sell more boosts the one thing they would do is not restrict it to one per account, even with RDF in they would sell a lot of boosts if they removed that restriction. I think that they actually listened to what people said back when classic came out and decided that lets try and see if people actually want to play without RDF for real and not having it havent impacted the numbers enough for them to think they need to put it into the game (or it could be that the spaghetti code is to complicated to untangle it from the changes to dailys and such from that patch and it would break things if it was in this early)
Sure, if thats what you wanna call normal heroics. Bear in mind you’re the one who suggested doing Naxx10 to get into heroic+.
Got removed from gundrak hc+ today on my 3.3k gs tank, only to get instantly invited afterwards to the same dungeon and we cleared it in 1 hour.
New faces on my ignore list
Surprised why ? I’m a pro-Wotlk, i played Wotlk over 12 years so ofc i want RDF.
Challenging bosses ? Bro i did some HM boss in 25 man the first week what do you mean.
And it’s even not “challenging” while the difficulty is based on RNG or tank/heal diff in this raid lol.
And i like challenging, when i know that i can get my rewards thanks to my efforts, challenging this annoying raid and getting 0 BIS because no fkin drop is not what i can call “efforts rewarded”.
I don’t understand what you are saying. Are you getting illusion or something ? I just said that it’s not fun to wait 33 weeks to get full BIS. So what’s wrong with you ?
No, i want effort rewarded, since there are not, i don’t care about boring challenge.
You talk to much for me for someone who i think didn’t killed any HM boss the first week in 25 man.
Again, you talk to much, why do you care so much of my life ?
Exactly how we don’t care about tourist classic era players.
I think this is a lie, by your hatefull post, i think you are just inventing. Btw, because Wotlk pserv was really popular, there was many. So meaning “pserv player” means nothing about the lvl. I can play on a pserv like Warmane Icecrown and being a noob need to be full T10 to clean ICC 25 nm with 30% buff, or, i can play on a pserv like Warmane Lordearon with ultra buff raid with +100% HP for boss AND adds and being a good player.
You really don’t know anything about pserv this is crazy. You talk to much for someone who knows nothing.
And ? This is the only reason ? Hopefully you are not a gamedesigner.
I will not debate with you about the majority.
I already put every argument in my long post, you don’t accept it ? I don’t care.
Btw, an almost long post and writting 100% sh*t.
Well done.
There is no need to do quests either to reach max level. Would it be a better experience, if questing was borderline impossible? Definitely not. Is it more fun and motivating to play an mmo game with other players? You might disagree, but for many players, that is the case.
Why should anyone make a tank or heal spec while leveling right now, if there is nearly no dungeon activity? Once dungeons can be done anytime due to RDF, more players, that prefer to play with other humans, will be willing to fill missing roles to get faster invites. Thats how it was in vanilla and back in wotlk with RDF too.
The game experience regarding forming pug groups for dungeons as a leveling person or a new fresh 80 is completely unenjoyable. Thats because most dungeons or level ranges are almost never being run and the original gear progression for fresh 80 players (normal dungeons>heroics>raids) barely exists due to low activity/high gear requirements (playerbase-split due to custom changes). RDF was introduced to give players the option to play with other humans and progress without having to buy multiple boe items. That was definitely better than what we have right now.
I don’t get the anti RDF argument here at all.
They’re literally saying “play a crappy solo ‘rpg’ (and I use that term loosely) so you can ready yourself for the endgame group content”. How would that ever work?
You are wasting your time with him, he’s feeded with bad faith and illusion. Talking to him is like talking to a wall.
Just look at his name bro, exactly how is his community.
Forcing people to play their way is the only thing they like and they are always talking like if their are better than retail players.
Talk about no self awareness…
You can brag what you want but im 100% sure that more people would level in low lvl dungeons if rdf was there. Its happening in retail and happened during the lfd launch. Your point is absolutely flawed af.
Its like you rather have people to buy a boost or to level only by quests which they have done obv numerous times. So why are they not allowed to do low level dungeons to enjoy the game? Because they do not need to?
Exactly. You are doing the same thing mate. Just stop responding to him. Its just weird to talk to someone that is ignoring you.
Im actually not arguing against RDF here, im arguing about it not being needed, I actually have made it clear that im willing to compromise to the level of having everything but the highest difficulty of dungeons have RDF before this im mainly having a problem with the person I responded to saying its NEEDED.
Why do you need to be in a tank spec for low level dungeons to tank them? You dont need to be in a tank spec to tank anything from level 15 to atleast around level 50 so anyone who plays a class that can tank could actually tank those.
Once it becomes more efficent to fill those roles people will want to do it, sadly we have seen that most people are just looking for the quickest way to hit max level from things like the mage boosts in classic.
Pot Kettle black…
or here the Jerk calling the Jerk a jerk.
So your comment wasnt meant to add anything to the discussion itself, but to point out someone made a generalized/hyperbolic comment. Its good to be aware of these, but I think its natural for you to be misunderstood in this case, since most users in this topic expect a substantive debate.
I agree with your statement here. Id even add that as a paladin/druid/shaman you might be able to clear low level dungeons all by yourself, as a tank, healer and dps all at the same time, if you are willing to progress slow. But does it invalidate anything I said?
There will always be players, who will take the fastest/most efficient way. If there were unlimited boosts available, many would prefer to skip as much of the leveling content altogether, mainly because its repetitive and a single player adventure. Many get motivated, if they interact with other humans. Isnt it a better experience for them to play with other players, than aoe grinding the same birds for hours alone? At least while running dungeons they get an mmorpg feeling and have a chance to meet new people.
It is needed because right now new players are facing a wall and being choked out from progressing their GS.
In three days time of trying there was no HC group to be found, instead you are constantly spammed by HC + players that you are too low GS for which was 3k at the time for me.
Instead I queued up for battlegrounds and in one day I got 4 new pieces of gear, after that I simply dont even bother with pve at all.
I don’t know how some of you manage to do it but you have succesfully made pve look more toxic than pvp.
Noone that actually plays the game needs or wants RDF, only forum trolls that are used to crying 24/7 still beg for RDF
I am convinced that it is gold sellers and booster sellers that don’t want RDF.
That is because RDF is for those, who like to level new alts or start as new players/on new servers. That anyone, who has decent gear on their active characters, wont have a problem without RDF, is a given. Would it impact these players negatively, if there was RDF for anything below heroic+ though? No, since they do not need/play the content anyway. Most of these people being against RDF right now only do so for the sake of being a gatekeeper, be it consciously or unconsciously. That doesnt make players asking for RDF trolls, but players against RDF jerks.
https://ibb.co/wc5p3wr
Look how is your community.
Sorry, please point me to the part where I’m accusing other posters of “bad faith” for wanting something completely different to myself.
Whilst you’re at it, also tell me where I’m “forcing” others to play my way whilst also complaining that I want phase 1 to last twice as long so that ‘I’ can get full BiS.
On top of that, look at this:
When I’m pro something, I don’t ask for silly features that came from WoD like the ability to one shot low level raid mobs.
Suppose RDF would put a dint in the boosting economy slightly, so that’s an advantage. But not to much honestly, paying some muppet to boost you through HoS is still faster exp than running it with a group.
You haven’t presented any facts, you’ve given your opinion and then accused people of “bad faith” when we haven’t agreed with you.
You’ve been here long enough to know that this isn’t the case. People come to the forums to whine, complain and occasionally ask for advice. There are no debates here, only arguments.