We have become the league community

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don’t be mislead by the title, i think wow and league community are pretty much the same and have been for years, but only recently i just couldn’t see the differences anymore

you play a game, you get people who try to win, people who try to have fun, and people who don’t try anything and underperform and play like bots
now, you can ignore those for the majority of times, but there is times wher eu just can’t, u getting absolutely crushed 5v1, you somehow pull off 3 kills, and put the other 2 in ccs to buy time, maybe steal an objective, there is always that someone who turn their brain off, break the ccs, and maybe evne doesn’t go thourhg and kil them but instantly elaves like he is doing it on purpose

or you somehow 1v4 and try to cap flag, you see 1 enemy approaching, u have 0 cds and low hp, and 1-2 guys standing near you just trying to cap with you aswell instead of stopping the incoming enemy, and these thigns happen almost every 10 minutes or so in my experience

when they tend to happen too often and games don’t go your way, i think its normal to get heated up, and tell people to “stop f… afk pls”
its at this moment, that usually you get someone that personally REALLY triggers me with the classic “cry moar please” “cry me a river” “its just a bg” etc and so on, and usually at these times i rly do lose it and either get into an argument with the guy if he adressed me, or just put him in ignore (which is usually the best)

as soon as the argument start, we are at the league level, becasue the first thing everyone does, is “gg report” now idk how many reprots you need to be randomly suspended, i know it can happen, thankfully it hasn’t happened to me as all the suspensiojnsi had i confirmed i did idd go “over the line” and basically flipped someone off with a “f… noob” or smth along those lines

i don’t know exactly where, we started heavily punishing for chat behaviour, i know it somehow killed league of legend around season 4-5 (i knolwthe game is still going “great” but comapred to how much it twas growing it legit stopped, and no, its not because people got bored or the cgame became repetitive, at least not for me)

and just to clarify, if i heavily underperform, get a base stolen 1v1 without calling or something, and someone tells me anything like i should uninstall etc, im with them, i played terribly and ill play better in the next 5 minutes, ill never rly take it to heart if i know i underperformed…

but thats not the casee with most people, most people think it just ruins their gaming experience if you tlel them to F off, like it doesn’t destroy your game if everytime you have afk people not playing, or heavily griefing without either not even realizing it or doing it on purpose, difference is, they can put me in ignore and that will be the end of it, but i cannot do anything vs them inting

now only recently did bans just start flying for this kind of things and it triggers me everytime someone just wishper me they reported me, it is w/e, i still don’t know why i try to carry ungrateful bots and afks in bg who can’t press buttons and even try to get me banned specially when you go and waste flask, pots, food buff for everyone, etc… legit depressing.

TLDR:
Im toxic, but i believe people griefing and playing bad ruins the game more than telling them they suck.

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I only report people who takes away joy of PvP. If someone is a toxic clown but still play good I won’t report them. I can put them on ignore if it really bothers me or if I don’t want to deal with them.

But if someone is blocking team progress, cause us to lose and also says even 1 disturbing word I report them right away.

People don’t have luxury to be a trash player and also type annoying things I won’t show tolerance to this.

Yes tyler1 speaks about it openly. Let’s say I’m toxic and should be punished but what about griefers. where is their punishment is his argument.

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well, the counterargument is that “you choose to be toxic, and they didn’t choose to be bad, they are not doing it on purpose maybe, maybe they are having a bad day, and so on”

the implications is, that i NEVER have bad days, but i always lash out randomly to any mistake that i see, which is not the case, obviously im used to people just breaking sheeps, rings, dbs, going sttraight up into the enemy team with flag while you are peeling 1 rogue and 1 feral off etc

its when it becomes this stuff, constantly, every 20 seconds there is people inting, saying bg doesn’t matter, or pointing fingers only at game balance and blizz dvs, when often people just need to get better.

yesterday i was inr ated bg with some pugs, and we were at 1.3 mmr… i know, insane mmr right ? so, enemies started trashing us, because we didn’t have eneither the dmg, nor the healing, and i CALMLY pointed it out, saying its gg because we can’t pressure them and we can’t ninjacap bases for sure since we didn’t even have a rogue

but this guy, started blaming blizzard matchmaking saying the game is unfair, and we should be matched vs players of the same skill, now mind, enemies were like, normal, i didn’t see glad mounts, i checkpvp few of them 1.9 2.1 exp in arena, tahts normal, they didn’t look insanely good or anything, we just didn’t haev enough dmg, and enough healings, mostly dmg, and i said, its not blizzard fault if we are not good, its 1.3mmr we should be able to win this
but he said, the game is just badly designed and so on and so on, now, this is the kind of person it say he is a F… idiot. thats what i did. enemies had negative winratio, bad rating, many games, there was no point in saying they were some godlike unbeatable enemies, and blizzard is responsaible for the state of the matchmaking

why are we always pointing fingers at blizzrd for EVERYTHING, this had nothing to do with matchmaking, we got outmatched, because they were better
but he wanted a systemthat protects us from being amtched vs good players… HOW ABOUT, GETTING GOOD?

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Not a valid argument, they choose to be bad too. I tell them what to do, they don’t listen and troll 2 other players in the team, make us lose with their 50 iq strategies. It is griefing.

To be honest yes battlegrounds doesn’t matter much (random ones) but if everyone play to win and do their best it also provides greater entertainment. So it is not a good perspective. I only play bgs to have initial honor gear but always do my best and win even if I don’t care much about them.

yes. one must get good to enjoy competition instead of being discouraged by defeats.

Yes. I prefer to have good players with toxic attitude in my team rather than good bois with no skill and intelligence.

WoW has over 1 million players as far as we know and predict. There will always be bad apples among parties and raids in pve and pvp… can’t be helped.

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ye i reason the same way, im just saying what other people usually tell me

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People griefing and intentionally ruining the run are toxic, that is true.

But playing bad… the other guy might be learning this content. He might be new, he might not have played since Vanilla, he might just be learning how to play endgame content. Who the heck are you to give them crap about that? All you do is shoo new players away.
If anything, what LoL community and WoW community have in common is that they are both toxic and intolerant of the mistakes of others.
You are so lucky, o infallible one, to have been perfect at everything from birth and to never ever make mistakes.

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its very VERY rare that i encounter actual new players
usually its not just the mistakes that sets me off but the thought that they are already good at the game and are not mistaking anything, its you who is playing the wrong class, or shouldn’t bother sheep healers because its a waste of time and they are gonna bladestorm everything x)

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What’s the point of this topic except stir up drama?

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I think that’s a lie.

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There is none.

The only way in which WoW is becoming like the League community is that it’s dangerous to criticise others or even to state perfectly normal outlooks on life, and that makes people scared and they consequently stop being social entirely. That’s very, very bad.

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You are toxic, as you admitted.
And the player does not have to be new to the game, he can just be new to m+ or pvp or raiding. As Cassie Lang says very memorably in Ant-Man 3: “Don’t be a d***”
Be tolerant. You are not perfect. Even if you are perfect in WoW that just means that you are an absolute neckbeard.

Edit: And the whole "Oh, he is doing it on purpose, I just KNOW IT’
No you do not. You THINK so, and you are most certainly wrong. The few times I have encountered griefers intentionally ruining runs or matches they have also been saying bullcrap on chat to mess with you, like the “cry me a river” stuff you mentioned. But it is not your right to ASSUME that someone is trying to ruin your day, let alone call them garbage.
If you do that, you are the real garbage here, respectfully.

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i said he does it or not on purpose, but ye he doesn’t care, just zugzug aoe sheeps, zugzug aoe ring and db, lose bases and flags and fights, then blame it on the mage dmg, this is the “new player” u talking about

and with “we have become the league community” i meant that we are starting to shift in the dirctionn that we care more what we say or not in chat, or hoiw we adress or not topics and people, instead of how we play, which is absolutely obvious nowdays

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Also the fact that people never ever use names. I have like one experience with league back in s2 and everyone was just using champion names rather than usernames - it was annoying then and everyone using class names now even if, say, there are 3 paladins is annoying now. Feels so impersonal

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You can blame all the people who create unwritable or unpronounceable names, at least to the average speaker of the language of the server.

Even mine appears to cause some amount of trouble with pronunciation. Not really sure why, but I suspect that beginning I had something to do with it, since it isn’t pronounced “eye” but instead like “ee” - and the sh are one consonant like in shale or ship, not two. “Ee-sha-you” more-or-less. Or rather, this character’s name is more like “yo” instead of “you” - my ordinary tag is Ishayu. This is all a result of English spelling being hilariously broken but what can you do.

But getting it wrong isn’t a problem. The problem is when they get second thoughts halfway through and try to correct themselves. :stuck_out_tongue:

But then you also have people like œdiėpùß and junk like that. They deserve to just be called “DK”.

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I don’t know… for me it’s difficult to comprehend a game can set a person off like that. I play for fun, I assume others do too, and the most the game can get out of me is a sigh if people are doing really dumb stuff. And then I let it go.

I think the main cause of this kind of frustration is expectations. If I expect everyone to play well, I’ll get grrr. But that’s a not so smart expectation if you play with people you don’t know. An expect nothing and you’ll be pleasantly surprised sorta thing. Happens to me all the time because so many do play well.

You can’t control the quality of other players a lot of the time. That’s all there is to it. If that angers you too much, I’d stick with content where you remove that random element.

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I agree with you entirely until here. The game does give you quite a lot of tools to pre-judge the skill of other players before inviting them.

When these mechanisms fail it can be quite frustrating. This is why boosting is bad, by the way. It’s frustrating to the better players who have to put up with the rating system breaking.

But then there are of course the random unrated queues, and anyone who expects more than 0 need to reevaluate what they’re doing.

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Absolutely, it crossed my mind but I worried about creating a wall of text if I’d go with all my random thoughts haha. I understand in certain cases you think you can gauge someone’s capabilities and then it goes splat in your face. That that can feel unfair and highly frustrating I fully get.

But yet, you still don’t know this person you invite thinking they must know their stuff. In that sense what I meant is still standing, it’s still ‘unsafe’ to assume this person will be exactly what you are expecting. You can hope, and hopefully most of the time it’ll work out that way. But it’s not guaranteed. You just don’t know. Till you do.

I’m not saying one should never be upset btw, or ask for improvements to the way matchmaking systems work. But there’s a balance somewhere between having fun and getting really ruffled by the game, and it happens largely within us.

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I highly disagree. Having played League as a newbie one year ago, I was shocked at the levels of toxicity on literally every single match. Of course you get badly toxic people on WoW that can measure up to or even surpass the average toxic player of League, but I would not be surprised to see that the average match of League contains far more insults towards one another than the average, whatever WoW.

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Absolutely agreed here. Fundamentally getting to know someone new is always a risk, but it’s also a risk to play with someone you do know because they might be having a bad day or whatever. The risk is just smaller still.

I think people have a right to set expectations when they invite players based on expectations - right? Like, these people come with this rating attached to their profiles and they advertise it in doing so. I think it’s reasonable to expect people to live up to the way they advertised themselves.

If they want to note that their score is maybe a bit much - let’s say they’re a first time healer with 3k rating in DPS - they can write that, but of course almost nobody would ever do that and that can be truly frustrating if you’re trying to time a +24 or something and your whole party’s just dying all the time.

World of Warcraft is vastly less toxic than a lot of people say. It happens, but 99% of the time it’s just someone who are poor at expressing themselves when mistakes were made in gameplay. Leavers, flamers (words like noob, idiot, etc. - nothing more usually), that sort of thing. Having people genuinely insult my mother or attacking my personal life is exceptionally rare. It didn’t happen once in the entirety of Shadowlands or BfA for me. Not even once. That’s 4 years. LoL can’t even get close to that.

I’ve seen my fair to be sure. Truly despicable things. It happens. But after 18 years in a single community you’ll have seen everything. Except stalking, I have never seen stalking. Maybe I’m just deeply unattractive, I don’t know.

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It’s definitely reasonable. And I think quite a few people stick with that, not wanting to be a burden but an asset to a team, and will act accordingly.

Just not everyone. Selfishness is pretty much impossible to prevent. In that sense I do get that it ticks people off. It feels unjust. It feels like someone is taking advantage of you. Someone is being inconsiderate of your time, your effort, you. Decidedly unfun.

But for me it simply means I won’t spend any more time or energy on them. They haven’t earned my anger. Worst case scenarios either a block or report, and I forget about m, erased from my memory.

Boosting is bad tho yeah. I can’t see them clamping down on that unfortunately, it would be better if people naturally stayed in their lane.

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