Sorry to burst your min-max bubble but few gems are not going to influence your dps much.
What these raid leaders should look for instead of gems is experience, has the player done Gruul or Mag before. If they have not (based on their gear), then perhaps start looking for other reasons to decline or grant invitation to raid. For example, has the player put any effort in gearing up his character; my mage was almost pre-raid bis when I started raiding. Not that it mattered, I was still denied spots and after I got tired of it I started ducking these raid inspects in order to get in.
Gear is secondary, itâs not going to matter if people know what needs to be done in the raids and have appropriate level +hit in their gear. I have been in many full inspect raids with good geared people and still the raids have failed. Gear or the amount of gems you have is no guarantee of performance in raids because people can be carried by more experienced players and thus they get the loot regardless of how they performed.
I personally think that weak raid leaders put high demands on gear because they themselves do not know what they are doing. They try to get players with full epics to cover up their own shortcomings as raid leaders: âI donât know what I am doing but this guy does, because he has item X and item Y.â
Please! Both classic and retail need this so badly. And itâs not about ââbeing intentionally badââ itâs about having fun playing a game that is designed for having fun with it
By that logic, consumables arenât going to influence your DPS much either, especially if you look at each one alone. Same thing with enchants. But if you sum up all these things, theyâre gonna have a significant impact. Especially if, in this case, we arenât talking about, I dunno, using uncommon instead of superior gems but no gems at all.
And somehow gemming/enchanting your gear doesnât count as âputting effortâ?
Itâs no guarantee, but it certainly helps. Itâs not like thereâs an addon or some other easily-visible metric telling me if youâre a good or bad player. The most a raid leader (who doesnât know you) has are (1) your gear, and (2) your logs. Now, (2) is generally preferable which is why many pug raids organize themselves on Discord and ask players to link their logs to show their worth. But if youâre just inviting people in-game, the best proxy you have is gear.
Or maybe, more simply, itâs the fact that thereâre enough players for them to choose from and thus they choose the ones they have more reason to believe will perform better?
There is a minimum required amount dps that is needed to take down an instance boss. All above that is extra and mainly contributes to the total time required to take boss down. In the big picture that includes the entire raid, how much effect is one guy missing enchants and all gems going to have? Negligible effect, which returns me to my point, denying a raid spot over missing gems or enchants, is an excuse.
Gemming and enchanting your gear does count as putting in an effort but in the big picture they do not matter all that much. It might be a different story if everyone was missing all gems and enchants, then the added downside of all missing enchants can count up as 1-2 missing raid members.
In a nutshell, all the raid leader should be looking for is: is the gear sufficient enough for the boss encounter and not start splitting hairs about gems or enchants. Thatâs usually called being a dick, especially when people are full epic geared and trying to get into Mag & Gruul raids.
No, the raid leader should be looking for whatever the raid leader sets as the requirements. You donât get to decide other peopleâs requirements.
If you want to raid with minimum requirements, then thatâs your choice and you should look for people that share your mindset, instead of trying to tell others to join your mindset.
I fully enchant my gear, I fully gem my gear and I use consuambles in raids. It costs sod all and thereâs no reason not too. Thereâs also no reason why I should play with others who donât play at my level.
Again, if they have the choice, why should they choose the guy with no gems or enchants over the one who has both?
Theyâre not there to carry you or do you a favor. If there are people who also want your spot but have better gear or logs or w/e makes the raid leader think they would make a better choice than you, they can and will pick the other person over you. Thatâs just how it works. Itâs called competition.
If you donât like it, make your own raids I guess.
The raid does not start full, there is no comparison at recruitment stage. And this discussion has never been about who would you rather choose, Superman or Batman. Everybody knows that Superman has better stats but it does not mean that Batman could not get the job done too.
Nobody is carrying anyone in Gruulâs Lair when they already have 4/5 T4 gear. The gear is sufficient enough to get the job done, requiring anything more and it becomes a nerd e-peen measuring contest.
And once again, itâs not a competition. Raid starts with only one guy in the raid, people get added through inspection, at inspection you get rejected or accepted. Maybe you should for once think what you say before opening your mouth.
But whatever, keep believing whatever you want about this issue. Screen the entire server for people to raid in your Dream Team raids at Gruul. It is your right after all and only the best for you, am I right⌠or am I right, buddy?
If Iâm looking for people to work in my warehouse and I need 10 crates of baby wipes packing, who would I recruit?
Dave, who could pack all 10 crates within a couple of hours and without making any mistakes?
Or Brian, who could pack all 10 crates, but itâd him the entire day?
Exactly.
Itâs not about whatâs sufficient to get the job done, itâs about being better than the other people that also want that spot. Thereâs more than enough people to fill pug raids that are fully raid ready, we donât take to fill with rando unenchanted scrubs just to make up for cannon fodder any more.
Holy mother of entitlement. With an attitude like that, I am surprised you ever got into a raid at all to get your unenchanted, ungemmed T4 to begin with.
How can you even look at your gear with empty gem slots and no enchants and not feel overwhelming shame? Are you a sociopath? Judging by how you frequently troll this forum, you may well be.
I couldnât possibly stand going even into a 5 man without fully gemmed and enchanted gear. The only crutches I did is I put orange rare gems into red slots on non-bis gear, and cheaper glove/bracer/boot enchant on levelling gear. And even that felt like cheating, but I justified it by needing epic flying.
When I led gruul/mag/kara semi pugs in P1, Iâd kick a guy with empty gem slots without a second thought. Just put a 1g uncommon in there if you are SO cheap.
Assuming weâre talking about a pug forming on Discord, leaders normally donât close the event as soon as they hit 25. Instead, they keep it open until, like, the day before and then choose who to bench. In which case your ungemmed gear wonât do you any favors, even if you signed up first. In short, if I see both Superman and Batman signed for my event and I got only one slot, Iâm gonna bench Batman regardless of who signed first.
If instead itâs formed in game, well, it might simply be the case that they get a lot of whispers from DPSers, and thus, again, they get to choose. Again, if I have one slot available and both Superman and Batman whisper me for an invite, Iâll pick Superman regardless of who whispered first. âFirst come first serveâ rule doesnât generally apply here unless the raid leader is desperate enough and needs to get the show on the road fast. In other words, if Batman whispers me and Iâm not in a hurry , Iâll happily ignore his whispers for at least a few mins to see if there are any Superman around, unless itâs been too long already and I just wanna get the raid started
I would suggest you to look for pugs near reset time, as they tend to be less picky
Because unlike you, I happen to own a brain and thus I know that few gems are not going to make much difference in the overall performance of my character. I will gem them eventually, just have not gotten around to it yet because I am not really a PvE player.
I dont really have too much against minmaxing culture, people choose to play it that way, even I do it to an extent.
Problem is that same minmaxing is making the content consumed too fast and making me âfinishingâ the game too fast. I really like the game, I want to play it more, leveled bunch of alts, just to prolong the game, but it always comes to point where there is nothing to do, sadly.
To slow down game progression, I rolled on casual pve server, found really casual guild hoping for true tbc experience, slow and steady learning process, hoping for lot of wiping, not watching any boss videosâŚ
Still, we downed MH bosses in one and a half raid nights and came to half of BT. This february, we will probably finish BT and then boredom will come, five or six months of farming same bosses, cancelled raids for bored raiders.
If I was in some hardcore minmax guild, I would probably leave the game already, this speed is killing every will to continue.
Game goes too fast, we players know too much, even most daddiest of us. Knowledge cant be stopped, sadly in my case.
Then why are you surprised that, given they have enough candidates, raid leaders pick âreal PvE playersâ over you, so to speak? Really, you strike me as an entitled player who canât grasp the idea theyâre competing with other players for a raid spot.
You still donât get it. It amazes me how person of your low intelligence level can still manage to act so arrogantly towards others. If I was you, I would be as humble as a bumplebee and mind my own business because thatâs the business I have some clue about.
Good luck, try not respond to my messages ever again.
I guess insulting people (not even just me) is how you make up for your own shortcomings, good luck with your ânot finding spots on raidsâ business.
