It holds of course. Because guy says you cannot heal against meelecleaves where i provided him an example of guy who is top 10 H Priest and heals meelecleave into meelecleaves and does well.
If you are good enough you are creating meta on your own.
I said vs 2 melees you potato. Vs. Against. Versus. Not âwith 2 meleesâ. You literal donut.
Learn to read. Holy Priest can work with 2 melees on a good level, that is beyond obvious. But it canât heal your Elemental being trained by a melee cleave. Or a Warlock. Not for too long.
At least Shade understands how the game works
He healed Boomy pre buff while playing WW/Boomy/H Priest you ape. If you are not able to do that on your H Priest donât measure people with yourself.
Maybe ask your top 10 holy priest buddy to get you out of 2100 then
Maybe he tried and couldnât and said itâs not a good comp
Maybe heâs still trying
I feel bad for the guy already if he tried
He doesnât have too. I can also make a Havoc DH but I donât want to.
Which is a setup comp not a PvE comp
Once again you pissed the point of what I wrote - Hpriest doesnât heal squishy targets or PvE comps, especially vs x2 melee
Iâm sure the thousands of Elemental shamans above 2100 also agree with this statement
your one isnât though.
However Maresurâs girlfriend made Havoc and reached 2300 in her first PvP season. It took less time for her to âimproveâ than you.
Doesnât matter. Ele is like my 15th alt.
Donât care who did what. Was talking about healers, not your hardstuck arguement losing donut replies. Inserting âapeâ every reply or trying to play the âDH OPâ card isnât going to get you out of 2100
And itâs not doing anything to help out the guy who made the thread who wants to improve and pick a healer
So your replies are meaningless and empty in terms of information and experience
Hopefully some of your top 10 friends can spare some time to teach you about the game
Again, because you win games against something specific does not mean your class/spec/comp is favored into said something. It just means that you won. Luck, skill difference, better tactics, who knows, but having examples of winning vs something doesnât automatically mean the thing that won is great against what it won again. Everyone has won counters, doesnât mean they now counter the counter. Right ?
It remains true that HPriest is not a really good healer to heal a spec/comp that is weak to melee cleave when facing a melee cleave. It feels very, very unsafe to be in that situation. Even being teamed with a Disc feels safer (and Disc is rather bad right now), although mana may be an issue sooner but again, besides the point.
Itâs not about being favored. Itâs about saying something impossible to be done. H Priest can heal through it. Itâs harder but not impossible. I know that nowadays in WoW everything has to be super optrimized etc. otherwise people will decline but claiming that you cannot do something when plenty of people can is funny.
I just brought an example of guy who regularly plays comps that are suboptimal and succeeds because thatâs his friends list. And about what that biased guy said above I donât play with him because I feel itâs not fair. He is better player than me so I feel like an anchor for him and told him I donât want to be boosted. I play with our other friends and slowly progress together.
Thatâs fair point of course but itâs what Whaazz once said. If you play enough and practice youâd win. It became common recently for many players to just watch Seramate, Xunamate and dodge counters playing alts. Echo team is the only one that queues all the time. In first season they played RLD so much so they started beating Arms/Ret/Fistweaver even though it was a counter per say. As you said they developped strats and were eventually able to beat them. Also how people who compete in tournaments expect to beat someone eventually if they dodge that team in the ladder, right? Imo many people overrate setups and counters over skill. Instead of bringing down players and saying something is impossible just give them tips how to play around. Even if H Priest being weak into meelecleave itâs true it means you will lose to high end meelecleaves. You can beat these 2100 ones even if they are countering your comp/spec whatever. Instead Irony comes and says Slyoven that he will always struggle into meelecleaves what usually ends up with fotm rerolling.
Did anyone say impossibe to be done no matter what ?
As much as it is a nice sentence, it sadly isnât true. It only applies if you are the only one evolving in an ever static environment. Then, you can become better and better until you overcome. But in WoW, practise just gets you to the next rating tier and at one point you will reach the highest tier, and there everyone is also practising. So, if you do practise that hard match-up over and over, but the teams you face also practise it and they have an advantage due to comps, they keep it.
Since you mentioned Whaaz and his team, well, lets just say there is a reason why they make sure they can play many many comps on the highest level instead of just playing RMP over and over, because at some point you cannot just âpractise and win everythingâ.
And since you talk about people who dodge, well, if they do, it means they in fact do not win their bad match-ups often, else they wouldnât dodge, they would just harvest points.
The thing is that if you play against something meta that counters usually there are more teams playing it right? So technically you have more opportunities to practice. Itâs usual thing that if you play something off meta really well you can catch people off guard like Howtonâs team did.
Of course but when they practice they choose one thing that they are the most comfortable with however in the ladder at the end when AWC is over they play RMP because itâs their favourite comp. Thatâs what they did in EU and what they grind now in NA. They might not win every match but at the end they will be top of the ladder. Also letâs face it they play comfortable picks overall. Chan played Warlock and Lontar played Shaman and Whaazz played Outlaw. Raiku played Havoc that is his alt since Legion and you could see playing his Havoc every season. Itâs not that they played something completely out of their comfort zone. Like I met you few times on your Rogue and once on your Warlock. Itâs more than obvious what youâre comfortable on right?
Yes and thatâs according to Whaazz why there is such diff in AWC and why they win every single AWC in DF. Other teams didnât practice as much as they used to in previous expansions maybe besides the last tournament. People prefer to create 5th or 6th alt. And thatâs also why inflation looks like it is right now.
Guys, I dont have the knowledge to speak but reading through the conversation, doesnât hpriest actually lose value in the longer games with dampening+mortal wounds?
Indeed itâs not the strongest in long games but itâs an agressive type for healer you rather aim to end game quicker.
Yes but that only applies at any rating except high rating. Once you are there you keep facing the same few teams over and over. Meta comps are much less of a thing there, because there are fewer players and they play what they play.
So, âtechnicallyâ is exactly what it is.
They play a tournament with the best players. Of course they wonât play specs they have never played before, but rather specs they perform well on ???
The point is, they chose to have those available. They keep practising the specs individually, and in comps because they understand how your sentence doesnât apply if the people you face at the top end also make sure to keep practising to match your efforts. Lets just say there is a hard limit at how much better than someone you can play, especially when that someone is also good.
Hehe it is actually a good example. I do remember playing my seasonal RM session in 2s with Spektral and slaying you as Elemental MW. It is something weâre not supposed to win at all, but we did. Likely because we played better. But, we could practise that match-up for 10 years, weâd never win Swapxy and a good MW consistently (well, not with how the classes were back when that game happened). Just because sometimes practise alone cannot be enough to offset a bad match-up on a steady level. You may get chance wins, or slightly improve a bad winrate, but eventually there is a limit and thatâs why teams who take AWC serious have comp options.
About the Warlock, I was coerced. I donât actually like it very much. I probably will end up playing SP though, it is more appealing as a caster and long long ago I started playing the game with SP and Rogue equally.
Thatâs very true.
Solo Shuffle also has a hand in this, actually. People have become much more specialized than before.
Yeah. That MW is my good friend. He isnât too good but I help him from time to time to get some wins. The issue is he is always stoned so it depends how much he smoked that day. I believe that if Iâd play with R Druid that I play 3s with and that I played before we might gave you bigger challenge but for this we probably need to wait for the other season. Btw I think that I met you on Rouge around 3 times this season but every time I played with this MW. In terms of Warlock we met playing Shadowplay mirror. Fun fact I was also on Affli.
Imo there is huge difference if someone is on his main or alt. It is truth that if you play longer and you are more experienced you need less time to pick up other spec and play it on a good level but it will be never even close to main as you will know little things better and little tricks. You will be more comfortable and self-confident. Imo the fact that people specialize more is better because the level of competiton is higher. Iâm not a fan of fotm rerolling and I will always be against it.
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