The title and why? Thanks in advance!
#1 - Holy paladin
Sacrifice broken CD
x2 BoP
x2 Freedom
Mostly spamming instants
Main weakness - getting tunneled by the x2 melee, however your CD’s can be enough to survive that as long as your team isn’t completely useless
#2 - Resto Druid
Spamming instants
Harder to kill
If x2 melee tunnel 1 target your hots outheal the damage
Cyclone spam can put 1 of the melees out of the game, same for roots and stuns
Main weakness - kind of none, except maybe people switching target all the time and no mana
#3 Casted Mistweaver
Disarm
Ring of peace
1 min Cocoon CD which people can’t die through
Hard to kill
Main weakness - getting kicked (which happens more rarely and for shorter vs melees) and getting CC-ed (melees have less CC than ranged, except Rogues)
The rest are situational. Prevoker is good vs melees if they target him, if they target his teammate it depends on what his teammate is. Resto shaman generally struggles vs x2 melee because they go on him, so the Rshaman doesn’t live x2 melee easily. If x2 melee go on the DPS instead of the Resto shaman (which they probably shouldn’t), then it can be manageable with earthens, roots, static fields, etc.
Disc priest has no good matchups and the only time it shines as a very good spec is on low rating in short games, compensating teammate mistakes, but it cannot provide the healing required to make someone survive 2 melees too long.
Holy priest has the healing, but has no CDs to reduce damage by melees, so it will be situational what class the priest is healing and how tanky that class is.
Fistweaver is very strong vs double melee, but only if the Fistweaver is healing people who play around his spec and know how it works (usually having 2 double melee teammates himself)
So it comes down to what you are trying to heal. Another melee? A warlock? A mage? for a lot of the specs its very situational
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Its been a while since i play holy priest and they got reworked but back then i was not bad against 2x meele going on me
On disc it was way harder
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Thank you very much, very detailed answer. Since the other guy mentioned holy priest, I believe hpriest had nothing to prevent damage aside from the Ray of Hope’s damage delay. But I might be wrong.
Let me think i was rotating
-Guardian spirit /1 min cd if they dont procc it
-Spirit of redeemer /2 min cd
-Phase shift with with feint /20sec cd, 1 sec immunity 10 sec 10%damage reduktion
-Void shift /5 min cd
-Apotheosis /2min cd if you run out from insta holy word serenity
Holy ward for anti cc if they have no purge
Aoe fear with higher damage treshhold too get some air
On top of this toolkit i got good value from renew and prayer of mending jumps, and also precognition was your best friend if you could free cast a view cast you almost could top yourself under pressure, require a fake cast
For their own survivability yes. But I think he meant hpriest doesn’t have damage reduction spells to cast on your teammates.
Oh got it but most of this cds save your teammates too and if meeles go on your partner and ignore you, you just freecast as holy and HPs your way too win
As i remeber most poor meele cleave battle i only lost because i oom in high damp
But idk how the new holy deal with meele atm
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But you don’t need damage reduction. You just pop Spirit of Redeemer with Hymn of Hope on the first go and then Guardian + Serenity/Power Word: Life. Guardian by itself doesn’t keep someone alive but it buffs healing so 1 Serenity will proc enough Mastery to keep someone up. Ray of Hope is rather not worth it.
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vs 2 melees you do. Because the damage continues infinitely outside of mobility windows. This is why Holy priest cannot heal some classes which are being attacked by 2 melees in a more PvE way for too long. And Holy priest healing has to be re-casted, the mastery ticks are decent but the duration is too short.
Holy Priest can only heal classes for a decent time if those classes are either tanky or avoid damage well or control the game.
For example in Shuffle, if an evenly rated Holy Priest has to face a Holy Pala or Resto druid or Resto Shaman, and the lobby has things like Warlocks, Ele shamans, Shadow priests, it’s a nightmare lobby for the Holy priest. This can be seen every day on top healer streams like Zen and Lontar.
Can also be seen team comp wise. You never see Holy priest healing pure pve comps, like things with Warlocks or Ele Shamans. Warlock has control, but requires a lot of consistent PvE healing instead of healing windows like a Mage would need, or a Rogue, or Hunter, etc.
Disc is the same in terms of what classes it can heal, despite being the polar opposite of having damage mitigation and little “real” healing. There’s little to no comps / classes which are a lot better with holy and worse with disc or the opposite.
No you don’t. My friend is one of the top H Priests EU and plays meelecleave if you have no idea don’t speak. If you don’t believe he has 3 spots in top 10 H priests in RSS and 2 in 3s. He played things like DK/Havoc, WW/Havoc, Walking Dead with H Priest and what you’re saying is completely wrong.
Yeah atm. The game isnt too bursty that you only can survive with damage reduction
If your dps and you rotate cds HolyP is more then fine
He said “vs” not “with”.
It doesn’t mean he doesn’t face meelecleaves. I watched plenty of his games and he handled other meelecleaves pretty well. There is a difference between what H Priest player says and what Irony imagines is the truth. Also I asume that if you ever played a meelecleave you know that healing meeles is way more intensive than healing casters or even meele/caster team and he shows that it’s possible with H Priest with no mitigation.
There are few meleecleaves running around these days… in any case, your team also has a big impact right. Typically, WW DH, which is what he’s been seen the most with when playing HPriest, are both close to immortal already, have amazing short cooldowns and have unlimited mobility so they can kite, or reconnect and disrupt very easily. That makes them “fine” to heal by a HPriest.
However, the moment you try to heal stuff such as the comp I play with Holy Priest and you actually face a melee cleave such as, well, WW DH since we talk about it then it is very sketch because they are on the Warlock literally 24/7, can hard swap Rogue on 4s cross CC chain incap eruption, and because they have so high consistent single target damage due to maximum uptime and the HPriest has no damage reduction he has to heal it all, and eventually he has to trade stuff on air (like Serenity charges) and then he has nothing to answer a swap or a random damage spike or maybe even short CDs that are back.
It feels very, very unsafe to face those cleaves with a HPriest on your team with what I’m playing. Telling you that because I tried it.
However it does feel good against other things for sure.
Maybe it’s then not about the spec but operator.
I mean he played also DK/Havoc and recently The Walking Dead so it’s not only WW/Havoc. You don’t have damage mitigation but you have other tools to deal with it.
Read what I typed again please. Your answer doesn’t seem to get my point. Or was I not clear ? I can try to explain differently.
Nah I just think you write too much philosophy to it. Everyone plays whatever he has available on his friends list. I’m pretty sure that you can take Mehh on H Priest and he will do better than other players on stronger specs. Guy is so good I’ve seen him Time Stopping things like Colossus Smash just for a 1 sec and then releasing his player (on the dragon this time).
I mean… yes Mehx against a 1200 rated counter comp will probably win the game. That’s way besides the point.
All I am saying is: unless you play a comp that is already decent into melee cleave without taking the healer into account, then HPriest isn’t a good healer to have with you when facing a melee cleave. Just like HPal isn’t a good healer when facing a caster cleave unless your comp already does good into that.
Does that mean you can’t win ? Of course not. You can always win.
It doesn’t matter what the season is and what meta is Whaazz, Raiku, Mehh will be top of the ladder with Rogue, Mage and Priest. They are that much better than anyone in the ladder.
Which holds no relevance to the topic you guys were discussing here, right ?