What build/legendary etc are you using for m+?

What is your setup for m+?

Iā€™m currently playing with momentum/essence break and first strike (nf), though Iā€™m tempted to try something else :thinking:

fb+demonic, leg: burning wound and conduits: dancing with fate/growing inferno, night fae - korayn. i using it for high keys.
for lower keys i using same build, but leg: collective anguish (cause adds die too fast and you have no time for apply DoT from BW to multiple targets).

Trying out this build now for higher keys as well. Iā€™m not convinced yet that I can do better than with momentum, but Iā€™m deffo not doing worse with it.

How do you play around that legendary? just auto all as many different mobs as possible with immolate up?

maybe you need to get used to it. but from my own experience I will say that this build is more stable. he is more forgiving of mistakes. and you donā€™t lose your mobility while keep the damage buff. And I would say that in terms of damage it still wins over the impulse. look at the top players on raider io

yeah. in high keys they living enough for spread DoT from this leg and it have decent dps on bosses

Momentum/essence break, burning wound and Korayn. I have all the other covenants at max renown as well, and play the same build with Nadjia, Mikanikos or Emeni if my group needs me to for the covenant buff. The difference in overall damage is small enough that not having the covenant buff is more likely to break a key than me doing slightly lower dps.

Havoc is in a great place at the moment, with 3 different builds being very close in terms of dps, so I play the one I enjoy most.

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Depends on the weekā€™s affixes - but as a ground rule:

Fortified week: First blood with demonic build and either Burning Wounds or Collective Anguish (depends on dungeon - mist always BW, while HoA or DoS itā€™s CA). Always crit/haste gear and Korayn.

Tyrannical week: Sinful brand build with haste/vers gear and agony gaze (for keys 17+), or Dreamweaver with crit/haste gear and first blood build.

PS: A thing could be said about ToP since thereā€™s so few big pulls there and lots of ST fights - I usually pick venthyr Agony build for both fort+tyrannical, unless thereā€™s already 2 ST classes, then I go for dreamweaver first blood.

Why collective angguish instead of darkglare?

Yes, finished my first 24 with that build, damage was okay. Sadly we didnā€™t time it, but considering it was the first 24 I finished, I wonā€™t complain :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Eyebeam doesnā€™t scale very well beyond 5 targets (sqr scaling) where as Fel Devastation is uncapped. So when you are in dungeons with big pulls CA is better on fortified weeks. However, if your group lacks a bit of ST dmg you can safely go with DGB instead.

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Hm so that means that using CA could be beneficial on fortified weeks on higher keys as well vs burning wound? Or is burning wound still better in overall?

Itā€™s annoying that you canā€™t find any proper information about this anywhere, 100% of the guides I find give contradicting information and none really help out with these minor details, especially for keys at 20+.

I would assume CA is better if youā€™re running demonic build with CoH for the reduced CD on eyebeam. Or perhaps that should be the other way round - if you want to use CA, you should be running CoH for the reduced CD. Personally, I always use burning wound for keys, but thatā€™s with momentum build and I find it clunky if Iā€™m not running felblade. Having to actively demonā€™s bite every target rather than letting the debuff apply naturally makes the rotation lessā€¦ smooth? At least thatā€™s my feeling.

I usually take very specific questions to the Fel Hammer discord. There are some elitists there (as with everywhere), but also a lot of very helpful and knowledgeable players.

Iā€™ve tried a few times, Iā€™ve left a few times. That place is a toxic @(#$&@(#$-hole.

I havenā€™t noticed a great deal of toxicity, and I generally check it most days. Perhaps it depends on time. Itā€™s the only suggestion I can offer, though.

It really depends how fast mobs die really and if you are comfortable with positioning yourself so the Fel Devastation actually hit something :slight_smile:

If mobs are slow to die then BW will outperform CA even with CoH. If you are good at hitting and mobs die relatively fast you make the key go faster by doing more damage in that small window and you should run CA. I would not run CoH in m+ but instead do NF with first blood and Dancing with Fate + Growing Inferno.

Whatā€™s the logic behind using a legendary that has a specific interaction with a certain talent and then not taking the talent?

Slurs were being dropped left and right, the elitist attitude is a whole different problem, and they ridicule anything that deviates from ā€œwhatā€™s recommendedā€. I literally got mocked for not having used the sinful brand legendary as Venthyr.

Not to mention that half my time was spent trying to figure out the abbreviations of skills/talents/legendaries because for some reason the worst thing in the world, is writing readable texts.

In the end Iā€™ve already gotten more useful information on this forum and direct discussions with other players outside of the felhammer. The wowhead and icy veins classs guides are basically useful up to +15 keys and stops there as well.

CA is better when stuff dies fast or in massive pulls. The thing is on most trash pulls things will die or be almost dead before you get EB up again anyway with CoH, and if it isnā€™t then BW is the better legendary.