What can Retail learn from classic and what can classic learn from retail post

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I stated it shows players with sub on that realm and in certain period of time played not if they play right now in this minute.

Unlike you.

Should i put effort to find it ?
ANd will you after that find your statement?

If it would be based on amouth of subs it would also change status in different periods of expansion. Mostly during content drought but it doesnt.

what i’d want in retail from classic

  1. talent point
  2. make you feel the difference when upgrading greens
  3. epics raid only or extremely rare (less than current classic too)
  4. the slower pace
  5. teamwork, the need for more cc’s in dungeons (as i remember from vanilla)

what i want in classic from retail

  1. flight point
  2. item stacking (200 cloth) etc.
  3. flying (tbc style)
  4. tbc dungeons and it’s importance
  5. attunement for raids.

Characters, not people. Or runs, depending on which statistic you look at.

classic point of view: game will change & is going to be be worse with time
Retail point of view: game was simple in the past and need alot of adjustment.

Best phase of wow was WOTLK! that’s the advanced version of classic and the last version of wow before game become something else! there sub count was 12million active players enjoying the unique styles of pvp due different talent metas and awesome pve contents with amazing environment and quests! if u missed wotlk? it means you never saw the true potential of WOW.

I believe the opposite is true. :man_shrugging:

You still provide zero proof mate.

I have to strongly disagree with this statement.
WotLK is the expansion where I quit the game for first time since it had launched.
The setting was cool (pun intended) and it had an awesome bad guy, but that’s about all that WotLK had going for it (imo).

Not everything can be measured by streamers. It is so meaningless it’s unreal.

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Oh u make me blush just doing me horde duty

The anwser is simple : Nothing. Retail should follow it’s path.

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Disagree to disagree u basicly call classic the biggest fail of the decade

Different strokes for different folks. I personally find the “CC every pack” approach boring (and yes u can do it in retail) as it extends the time of the dungeon and turns it into a simple “zerg the target one by one”.

Peoole often say needing cc is a sign of challenge. Nah. It completely removes the challenge from the encounter.

Whats more difficult? Killing 4 mobs at once all of whom have abilities to dodge, intterupt (so you have to assign Interrupt) , etc. Or killing them one by one so you only have one intterupt at a time, and one ability to dodge at once?

CC makes the game easy mode, and “forcing cc” through difficulty is just a binary of “immensely hard” reduced to “faceroll” when the “needed CC” is used. There’s nothing hard about sapping mobs or polying them

Nein. It’s aboot the fact that in terms of rotation, Classic is bad. This game is also dog slow and leveling is all about hicking. I gave up on level 10, since hicking IRL is better than in Teldrasil.

Classic subs are dropping all the time due to fed up players with so many issues.

PvP
Imbalanced realms
People abusing the layering and wrecking server econmys
Gank squads
Devilsaur Mafia
List goes on and on . Classic is in a bad state just read any forum.

I havent seen CC used in dungeons or raids in Classic .

Then u dont play with the good groups fear poly and sap work wonders for winning dungeon

Its because CC is not needed at all and has nothing to do with bad groups just the opposite if you are able to read . Please stop trolling for a change you are getting boring.

If ur lvl 50 like me and join grps that have red on them then tank is gonna die so u have to use cc do u even play classic? U sound like all ur ”proof” is based on things people lie about and i never encounter ever

Yes i do on dreadmist and have posted on my char lots of times . And no CC is not needed at all in any dungeon as they are set to 1.12 and pre TBC levels thus face roll.

Spellcleve groups say hello from 20 to 58 no tanks or cc required.

Im no mage i never get invite to cleave groups and when i do they kick after summon or after i give them grps its totally unfair to suggest it to me who even cant join it and i dont really know if its true or not since ur on ur retail

3 mages 1 lock 1 priest you are part of the classic forums you can clearly read it all over please stop with the inane posts and being obtuse.