Simple question, what is the solution to Rogues just killing you 1v1 with zero counterplay? This disgusting infinite resets + infinte cc + infinite burst damage combo that should not even exist?
I asked a number of Elite players and they said something like:
Feral Druid: You have stealth so lower chance overall to get jumped, Put bleeds up while in Cat and while STUN dr, then Tank in bear form while rotating barkskin, frenzy regen, throns, etc. Seems like a good pick. Has roots, and good mobility, dots prevent restealth.
Shadow Priest: Good class overall 1v1. Has something to press during stuns(disperse), some instant CCs to get some healing off and setup burst, fade, dots to prevent restealth.
WW Monk: Honestly Donât see it that well, but I don;t have experience with monk in PVP. Probably if setup port before, and rotate defensives with Fist of Fury/ go for big leg sweep nukes.
Unholy DK: Has a pet/more pets out so you donât need to trinket blind to prevent restealth, has IBF so another stun go prevented, big HP + Plate armor + Necro Shield should let you sit First kidney without trading anything, good Death Strike healing, 2 more instant heals: Pet Sacrifice + Shield. Also dots to prevent restealth. Spamable Chains to kite, Grips to counter kite.
Mage: Just by playing with Classic Blink will always escape Kidney, as they have the same cooldown I think. Just lots of kiting options, can play with Unbreakeble Nova leggo, alter time, shields, big burst, Ice Block. Seems like a good toolkit overall.
Whichever is the answer, I will play that class. I actually donât even care if the other 11 classes beat me, beating rogues is above everything else.
Thereâs no way u can win a rogue 1v1 as DK , all 3 rogue specs are counter to DK , unless the rogue is ultra ultra bad he canât lose. Feral or Surv hunt probably has the highest chance of winning against rogues imo.
Yeah, DK was just a wild guess of mine based on the toolkit and hypothetical use of pet/ cds. Also anti magic shell/dome can mitigate damage from Sub and Assa, less from outlaw. But knowing DK gets eaten alive by meeles, prob a bad choice.
They donât thanks to the new conduit which gives Rogues an absorb.
In general, it is not easy to win against a good rogue in 1v1.
I have won many 1 v 2 as Feral against RM - but this is after they have burned Ice Block, trinkets, and pretty much all cooldowns in killing my teammate - and it usually involves in killing the Rogue first.
If the Rogue is patient, he will just wait out the game and win in high dampening, since a Ferals best defense is their self healing.
So you both will stealth around, and if you pick the âeyeâ you will break stealth, and he can easily just hug a pillar, Sap you, or just Shadowstep stun to try get a kill. Even if you do happen to catch him, Subterfuge means he will land a stun on you anyway.
There is a high chance he uses Evasion+CoS offensively, which makes it difficult to land Disorienting Roar, Cyclone, roots, or stuns.
I usually run The Natural Orderâs Will, and as you mentioned, try to tank as much damage in Bear form as possible and then try to make a âgoâ when Iâm on stun DR.
yes, I should have mentioned this, I donât really care about arenas, just in general BGs or World PvP, so dampening should not be a factor in this. I just posted in the arena subforum because itâs the most active and had the bigger chance of people reading the post. Thanks for the input.
This comes down to the in general lack of physical defensives that DKâs have. Lacking in mobility we cannot swiftly bounce out of the burst, but rather just tank it instead, and the rogues will just reset when any counterplay is done.
On topic the thing that is most frustrating is that Rogues are supposed to be a opportunistic glass cannon that got stealth to enable them to seize the opportunity when they can. However since itâs nearly impossible to find a rogue in stealth unless a well timed AoE or Flare gets them out, you got no other counterplay than that.
Y , outlaw is basically unkillable since they have evasion 24/7 , assa just kills you with vendetta dots while afkâing in stealth and sub just has 30 resets aswell , melting you like butter after IBF. Prob is dk has no real damage outside limb which they just CoS / Vanish anyway.
There used to be a time where rogues couldnât restealth with dots on. A time where bad rogues were punished for not knowing their class or their opponents. But this is years and years ago, nowadays everybody gets resets for free.
Many classes have a 2-3 button basic rotation, this is the game now.
Took me a while to understand what was happening.
I only noticed when I was looking and the Mage and Rogue names and saw they were similar. Then I realised something terrible was unfolding.
Play a BM hunter, 1v1s vs a rogue is pretty ez unless they outskill you by a high margin.
If you play tank pet with the Pvp talent that reduces the cd, you get 20% wall every 1.5mins. You rotate that with RoS for the kidneys, kite in between and if sheet hits the fan trinket turtle.
Keep mark up, stand on freezing traps and once cloak/ eva is up you win basically. Save camo and once they trinket land a full trap get camo mark them heal to full whilst they cant get a re.
I could go on, it seems like one of the hardest counters to rogue 1v1 to me
Yes, guess Hunter it is. I have limited xp with it in pvp, just some bgs, skirmishes etc, but have 2 level 60 hunters ready to go. I prefer hunter compared to the other option as well, because I kinda like to show off some mogs and mounts as well, so druid is kinda gone from the start, and spriest has the shadowform that makes it all look the same.
Ty for the input boys.
just killing you 1v1 with zero counterplay? This disgusting infinite resets + infinte cc + infinite burst damage combo that should not even exist?