What does Normal run chill mean?

Hi guys, I have a question and a bit of a sad story.
Here goes…
Today, on the first day of the last week of BFA, I was trying to find a Normal Ny’alotha (ilvl 95 discipline priest) and there was this party looking for players that said “Normal run chill”.
Well I opted for it and got my invite.
After ~15min everyone was in and finally rc ready.
And sure thing it was a wipe as soon as Wrathion spawned the scales and no one picked them up, I’d do it, but I died shortly before that because I was saving the raid from dying when no one was moving out with incineration.
My immediate question, (not the best phrasing I suspect, and maybe that was the trigger), was ‘Guys, are you Ny’alotha virgins?’ because people literally didn’t know what to do!
After I said it I was targeted by one of the founders of the group (by then there were four of them left) and literally let down for being toxic.
Turns out these guys were new players, like two weeks into WoW, and now I am a disgrace of the community and I should go @/~! myself, even after I apologized for misinterpreting their party name, what I suspect was the issue…
Because I thought that ‘chill’ means no dps check, no kicks for the lack of specific gear, like cloak. But, honestly, I never suspected that chill, (on the last CD of BFA, no less), might mean - “no one in the raid knows tactics here and we don’t bother looking into it”! This is normal raid difficulty we are talking about, not LFR.

So my question is - did I really misread this raid party title so badly? Or was it simply a misunderstanding because new players are not familiar with raiding ethics?

Ok, ofc, by mentioning ethics I admit it - calling someone a ‘virgin’, not even as a joke, is not ethical.

I think that Blizzard should warn new players about raids and idk make a special beginner’s raid for newbies like the Exile’s Reach? LFG is not good for it because the amount of mechanics are really too much for newbies, but something like:

  • a boss with one or two deadly mechanics, (but not overly too much!) which you can’t kill if you don’t know what to do. With a strong suggestion to look into the Adventure Guide for tactics.
  • a flexible group not necessarily consisting of 20-25 people, just 10 ppl for easier access, or something like that,
  • at least a good Beginner’s Raid Guide in-game in the same Adventure Guide book describing the most common issues with raiding and maybe some FAQ?

I am seriously sorry if i did unintentionally harass someone. I guess this is a good lesson I am learning now, and I am sharing this with you because somehow it made me really think that maybe asking for people to know what to do (best manner or not) probably is toxic after all…

I would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on this matter.

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as a PUG guy, u can do 2 things and 2 things only, ragepull or you could just get over it

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I mean, not to be that person, but you could have phrased it better (as you admit). “This your first time?” “Need help with mechanics?” or something of the sort could have been better. With memes online and whatnot, people don’t really take kindly to being called “virgin” no matter the context. :stuck_out_tongue: But you’re not a problem person.

There is the Instance Journal which honestly needs better emphasizing. I understand that excess spoonfeeding is disliked by many, but there are practically zero UI introductions in-game at the moment.

I think there are nicer ways you could have phrased this. It comes across as pretty rude.

For a chill run, it doesnt fit the vibe.

I can get them being a bit annoyed.

Would have to see the rest of the interaction to comment further though

Thank you, I guess I will have to stick to the latter :slight_smile:

You could have just left without saying anything, but you just had to run your mouth.

If you want something done correctly, then do it yourself. Make your own group, like I do, that way you have full control of the group and you can choose whoever you want to be in the group.

Thanks for replying, you have a good point.
When someone turns out to be a newbie you just kick him or don’t invite him because he has a low item level or a low raiding progress judging from their armory? This way newbie will be angry all the same.

Well, you are certainly didn’t try to be nice about it with that phrasing, but its not like you are the prime example of toxicity because of that, i saw worse in almost every raid i was in.

There are usually 2 types of “chill groups” in my experience. One is where most people know what to do but they won’t spam “gogogo” before every single pull, and one is where it feels like people are intentionally refusing to do mechanics. If it’s the latter, i don’t call them out like you did, i just try to tell them what to do, and if 2-3 pulls later they are still dying to the same thing, i just leave

That’s kinda ironic with your phrasing.

Hmm, yeah I guess you are right…

For me, when I create a chill group it is meaning keep your attitude and criticism(especially if it is not constructive) to yourself.

Be relaxed, have fun and keep it positive, don’t pressure players in a negative way at all.

Of course the main component to what defines a chill group is the leader. I have seen groups listed as chill but acted quite different.

Normal Nyalotha is very relaxed, I used to make a group weekly and fill it to 30 players and clear up to N’zoth with very little resistance. Once you get to Nzoth if you fix the groups up well it’s also a breeze, sometimes it can take a few wipes but that is expected when you have newer players raiding for their first few times, sometimes u can explain tactics in fine detail but they need to die to these things before it sets in “ok I must avoid this”.

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I won’t invite people that don’t have experience or if they have a low ilvl, no. I don’t do carries.

People that are newbies can always make their own group and invite other people that are newbies as well, or they can also join a guild if it’s to their liking. I personally do not like guilds, so all I do is PUG.

And also, I never join PUGs that are labelled as “chill”. They are usually either noobs or toxic. Most of the time, both.

Yeah, this is a case of choosing words carefully… That does come across quite “NON-Chill” to be honest.

Besides of how you phrased it, “chill” is quite a meaningless word. Meaningless as in; it can mean anything.

One ‘Chill’ group is a group of super experienced guys on alts who had a beer or two and just rofl through it anyways while not caring about anyones performance.

While the next ‘chill’ group is just more or less a synonym for “we have no clue what we are doing and we will prob wipe 20 times while hoping to figure out what to do”.

You are probably best off verifying if everyone at least knows the drill before starting.

Chill run generally means that it will take more time than normal and we don’t want leavers.

Yep, thank you! This was a real good lesson to learn for me!
I admit, being emotional and in a certain state of hype has to do with it too.
And then of course writing something isn’t the same as saying it out loud and in persons face - I guess if I was sitting in front of them or at least in the same voice chat, this wouldn’t turn out tasting so badly…
thanks again, I think I got the picture now

Here’s your answer.

No, people don’t read/watch up on tactics in LFR/N/HC. This could have just as easily been a “Hardcore Heroic Raiding Guild” which reacted to you in the very same way.

That said, if you join a guild that does heroic raiding, the people that don’t know what they are doing should be below 50%.

Yes, I guess, that’s what I thought when I opted for that group. I only guess I was turned off by the fact that being totally unaware of tactics on the first boss can’t be called chill, in my opinion. Why couldn’t they call it ‘new players’, or ‘first time’ idk… Maybe because experienced players generally won’t bother joining this kind of groups?

I mostly join these groups because it means i can relax, smoke a cig, and not give a flying F about a wipe and just kill some time.

I sometimes think that this game is too taxing in terms of knowing the encounter.
Usually it ends with mutual harassment.
There is one good thing though, next week is Shadowlands! And everyone (except those hardcore with beta access) will be relatively newbies on the same level!
A new world to explore and experience!
Special thanks to those who bother sharing their tactics with the community.

That generally happens in Pugs. And have been happening in pugs for more than a decade. Certain players are simply do not put the same effort into the game then others while they want the same results.