You see, some players knows how to game the market and hit the gold cap.
Because of this, everyone gets an increased tax.
I havenât done enough on it to comment on whether its a good or bad system⌠But from what I heard from friends who do them, they love them as its not just âgo craftâ but actually a system
My point was more, there is gold to be made in game, a lot. But a lot of people only want to be self-sustaining through the content they enjoy
For me it isnât.
I have fun with trying to obtain the patterns in the world, collect the materials and craft the item, then sell it or use it to unlock the looks.
I enjoyed being able to just craft things and toss them up for sale.
Now?
I need to do quests to get a meager 3-5 profession points.
Get lucky random resources give me one point, or force craft ânewâ recipes to get some points.
I do enjoy that I can focus what kind of crafter I want to be with a profession, or learn it all, but itâs just too damn slow.
There is definately less raw gold and even simple things like repairs are dramatically more expensive than they used to be.
Itâs not even out there to say Blizz are pushing people towards tokens. Itâs becoming more and more obvious.
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Iâm sorry to hear that, honestly. Itâs a pity.
Because itâs such an interesting concept.
You can still do all that.
But, if you wanna get better stuff, you gotta work harder for it. Donât you think that only makes sense?
Nothing comes for free.
Ok now iâm little bit confused mate 
. So you do like the new professions or not?
Or you donât donât like how slow it is?
I agree with you on that.
But i think thatâs also what makes it more âmagicalâ.
If we got everything NOW, it just gets boring. This is what we talk about often. That we want everythig now, people often are rushing content and then complain thereâs nothing to do.
Iâm sure you came across such comments aswell, either here on maybe Twitter or whatever.
I donât need everything ânowâ.
I want everything at my own pace.
And the current system just doesnât let me do that.
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Well, i guess i hope you will find in time some love for things how they are.
cheers mate!
I will say things are maybe a little crazy.
Having fully broken armor is nearly a 3k gold repair bill.
I could actually see some less experienced players end up in situations, where they straight up doesnât have the gold to repair.
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I suspect youâre far from being alone in that. I gave up professions in DF. Theyâre just so convoluted now.
Iâd like to see some stats on how many players still do professions.
I was always just a hobbyist and didnât really work the AH so not sure if it is only hobbyists that stopped doing it or not. Although I imagine even a reduction in hobbyist crafters would impact on guilds / friends.
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Propably majority does.
I like that itâs not just prof skill lvl and reputation maybe to some fraction (to be able to buy recipe), but also need to think about what you should focus next.
Itâs so much fun, i love it.
Got to agree with some here, it really does feel like they are pushing us and expecting us to buy the token.
All old raids and dungeons have been nerfed gold wise and leveling proffs is a huge pain now.
The dailies and WQ offer little to compensate what we need for raiding/m+
Iâm not buying a single token.
And if they block me from getting to stuff because of that, then Iâll just not do that stuff.
Agreed, I will never buy a single token, out of pure principle if nothing else.
This game isnât f2p, so the game pushing me towards buying stuff is just⌠wrong.
I also donât like how current proffs work. Gathering professions is fine (basically learn âgather while mountedâ and call it a day), but I just find Crafting to be too convoluted, so I end up going âmeh, Iâll try figure it out tomorrowâ ⌠that was 2 months ago.
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Thatâs so far from true. I am a casual âweekendâ player, and i still sit on tens of thousands of golds in my inventory.
Havenât once had a need or even a thought of buying single token.
This one have to agree with. Itâs such a pity that they did that⌠It was such a sweet way to make some golds.
I donât feel that way. I enjoy professions right now.
I have now ilvl612, and i havenât done once normal raid or m+ above 4.
You can get a decent gear from weekly/daily stuff, some delves, mythic dungeons and then go to normal raids and progressively go up on difficulty.
Not sure what ure complaining about now mate.
If itâs gold, again, i agree, that it sucks from old raids/dungeons gold has been nerfed.
But itâs not like WE NEED gold. We barely do need any. You can get almost anything by yourself, without the need to spend god knows how much gold on AH.
You literally donât ever have to.
If you are refering to tokens, again, you donât have to ever buy one. And youâre not being pushed in a slightest to buy one.
Nothing confuled on them.
You literally choose whether you want to craft better armors or weapons or craft/gathering tools⌠Thatâs it⌠If this is complicating to you, i donât know what to tell you. You know propably how stupid that sounds as much as i do.
The only part, thatâs propably too much, are those tiny stats like âfinesse or resourcenessâ, there are like 4 of them?
Ye, i agree, thatâs a little bit too much. And i personally donât even pay too much attention to these.
But you donât need to be Ilon Musk to be able to understand, that you literally now just choose what you will be better at next in these professions.
Which eventually in time you get good at everything. Itâs just a question of time.
repairs/consumables/enchants
So about repairs.
Someone above made a very good point.
If thereâs some newbie and it happens that he dies so often, that he destroy his set, gonna be expensive repair. I have to give you that.
However this is such a tiny % of playerbase. We are talking about literal newbies. I remember myself years back how i struggled jeez, good ol days. How many times i destroyed my equip.
But again, this is such a tiny % of playerbase, and, the game now is way easier than it used to be. So it should be even more rare, that it happens that you actually destroy ur set.
Consumables you donât need.
You can cook ur food, but you can play without flasks or elixirs.
And pots? You can dig HP pots through Wax. I already sold about 600 pots and i donât even have Alchemy.
I did peeked in AH few days ago for the first time to see how expensive consumables are. And damn, itâs absolutely ridiculous and pardon me, only a id*** would go and buy these overpriced elixirs, flasks or pots.
You really donât need these in order to be able to push end game content.
And about enchants.
I have fully enchanted both my pvp and pve sets.
It did costed some gold for sure. But itâs easily affordable and unlike consumables, itâs not like you need to buy 200 every day or whatever.
âIf you are refering to tokens, again, you donât have to ever buy one. And youâre not being pushed in a slightest to buy one.â
Less raw gold income in-game, and higher expenses in-game, all while Blizzard dangles âyou can always just buy goldâ in front of you = being pushed to buy tokens.
You donât have to (of course you donât), but they do give you an increased incentive to do so when most other normal sources of income are less profitable.
As for the âprofs arenât convolutedâ-part, I find it ironic that you basically tell me âno u, theyâre not convolutedâ and then 1 paragraph later you agree that âtheyâre probably too muchâ.
I get the âdo you want to be better at armor or weaponsâ-part, but I donât care for the finicky details that are also a part of professions in TWW, and Iâd bet money on that more players are just like me (as in âonly learn the basics because they canât be bothered with the details/get overwhelmedâ) than there are players who genuinely like how profs work in TWW.
If you do a lot of m+ and heroic and myth raid it soon mounts up
Please stop telling me what i do and do not need it the game when you do not even do the same content i do thanks.
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Iâm happy I donât care about doing endgame the way Iâm âsupposedâ to because I understand if you do enjoy that, going broke over repairs is a real thing. It sucks, it shouldnât be a barrier imho.
Itâs one of the reasons I used to enjoy doing random bgâs so much, plenty of action and fun, tense moments, low repair bills 
I keep wondering whether M+ at least shouldnât have that too, but maybe itâd be hard to justify then why raids should have repairs, or pve content in general.
Nobody forces you to buy in game stuff from AH, nobody. Nobody, except yourselfâŚ
So no, you are not being pushed into buy tokens.
So i personally donât even focus on making gold. I am of a opinion, that we barely need any, donât see any reason to spend god knows how much time to make gold that we donât need.
However, that being said, iâve spoken to numerous people who make disgusting amount of gold through professions.
Iâve spoken to people, who even told me, they make enough gold in a matter of couple of hours, that they buy game time for entire monthâŚ
So obviously there are ways how to make gold without the need to buy token.
Gold, that we donât need anyway.
Please stop lying now and making things up.
I have said the only part that is unecessary, are the little stats that comes with professions, that resourceness, finesse, etc.
Thatâs it.
Nothing else is complicating on professions. And if you find these professions complicated, i cannot imagine how you function in actual life honestly, in school, at work, hell even raids mechanics are more complicating than that.
If you are talking about the stats (finesse etc), i agree with you. As i said. These details seems unecessary.
Well, again, you gotta make clear what you mean by that. Are you talking about the stats? Or professions in TWW in general?
Because again, if you talking about stats, i agree, itâs annoying.
If you are talking about professions in general, i disagree. Specializations are fun as hell and i heavily doubt majority of players dislike them as you do.
Who forces you to do that? Nobody, you decide for yourself to do them. So donât come around saying Blizzard this, Blizzard that.
You decide for your own how you spend ur time in game.
We all do play the same content. Stop pretending you play different game. And leave your toxic aggressive attitude out of here, thanks.