What happens after Wotlk Classic?

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
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Let’s be serious Blizzard, you guys aren’t really seriously planning on bringing back Cataclysm, are you ?

For what it worth, if there is a side to choose, I’ll go for a big fat NO.

Good thing some people might wait for Cata, good thing also people might enjoy it, I respect that. But to be fair, the only reason I came back for Classic was precisely because everything was in a pre-Cata state. And I believe there many others players like me.

Everything that happened after Wotlk are basically failed attempts to bring back Wow to it’s past glory, or at least to the same amount of subscribers at Wotlk. We have all seen that graph when the subs drops during Cataclysm, never to be raised again to same level seen at Wotlk. Or at least not for long. Not saying everything was rubbish, don’t make me say what I didn’t.

I’ll be more than up for a new beginning post-Wotlk. Something more clever than a brand new expansion. New zones, new raids, new dungeons, new gear, yes of course, but not necesseraly all at once, and certainly no new level cap at 90 or beyond, since leveling is just pointless.

I’ve always imagined a new Wow were things aren’t obsolete anymore.

Maybe our old Val’anyr, Atiesh, Might of Menethil, Anathema or Rhok’delar doesn’t have to be some luxury relic that fills a bank anymore. It could be relevant for the endgame, while still remaining unobtainable. Come on, some of them are legendary, while others rewards from epics questlines. We could still race for some brand new weapons, not more powerful than the one I’ve mentioned, but just differents.

Let’s say all the players from the same class don’t have to end up with the same endgame armor, but could actually compete for several from the same tier, collected in various raids, even through craft or very long questlines. All these armors could have more or less the same stats, but also specifics features (generate a shield, improve a spell, etc) and of course unique skins. So we could have more variety. Once again, different, not necesseraly more powerful.

And how about our old alchemy/enchant/engineering/etc receipts ? They could actually still matters amongst new ones that are, again, just differents, rather than more powerful.

And our new foes shouldn’t be dramaticaly more powerful than the previous ones, tearing space/time/dimension/whatever-lore-confusing-event, but…once again simply differents.

And please…our toon shouldn’t be the center of this world, like some superhero, also super-duper-friend with Sylvanas or Varian, but just another adventurer. It’s just silly.

I’m just throwing ideas, because why not ?

Imagine an horizontal way to build this world, rather than the same endless vertical race of power we are used to.

How about you work on something like this instead ? A long term plan, full of surprises, while still relevant with Vanilla. Sounds much more exciting to me.

I know folks this is just another bottle thrown to the ocean. I’m not here to get any approbation and I couldn’t care less about being roasted as well. I’m just some random player passing by, sharing a few thoughts.

bye :wave:

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I want progress, I want cata and panda.

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You want this because you are enjoying the game. The problem is that you are in the minority here because WoW players are mostly dopamine junkies. They don’t want to play; they don’t like it, so they are trying to skip every possible aspect of the game. They don’t really want that new gear, but it gives them that little kick, and they need it to get even stronger gear for an even better kick, etc. Outside of that, everything is meaningless.
I would really like to see a vanilla-wide expansion. like a spellpower hunter with a new set allowing him to shoot fire arrows with autoattack (scaling with spell power) and many more. But Blizzard knows he has to cater to his junkies only with stronger and stronger gear. That’s what keeps them playing—no fun, just dopamine.

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Fun is literally dopamine and serotonin releases. It is the stimulation that makes things fun in the first place.

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I’m well aware of that and you are absolutely right.

But still, it’s difficult to ignore all these players that came back to Classic, the ones on Classic Era or waiting for Hardcore Classic, not only to for a SSF/zero-death journey, but also because it’s the only opportunity to have a meanigful experience.

This, is a legitimate “little kick”, even a big one.

Come on, it’s a 2004 game and people are still crazy about it, and it not only the first generation of players.

I believe endgame shouldn’t be an endless ladder, where every step leads to more powerful-gear-foes-whatever. It’s just silly and a programmed failure.

If half of the players are up for this nonsense then fair enough, I think Retail is the perfect game for them and I’m more than happy they can enjoy it like that.

But slowly turning the “Classic” label into a “Retail” version by bringing Cataclysm…and then what ? We do the all the stuff until Dragonflight ? Sounds like an absurdity. Can’t believe this might indeed be coming. I would really feel betrayed (twice ?) if this happens.

Is that all Blizzard can do after all ? Boy, I hope I’m so wrong.

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If there’s a Cata classic I’ll probably play it. If not, once I feel “done” with ICC, I’ll stop playing again.

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Cataclysm Classic, SoM 2, HC servers, maybe Classic+.

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I still have no idea what “Classic Plus” is supposed to mean, but I do hope it could be some Vanilla soft tweaks, maybe on classes and the slow addition of brand new features (dungeons, raids, gear, etc).

And once again certainly no level cap beyond 60 (or 80 if that means a Wotlk Plus) in order to keep the leveling process a meaningful experience and avoid this “is it too late to start Wow ?” 20 years old-question.

An horizontal progress then, that just needs the right people, with a clear vision and taking the right decisions (and a dash of talent, it helps).

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Choo choo all aboard the ClassicWoW train, next station, ICC, then to Cata!
If you don’t like it… Don’t… play… it…

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Sure thing I won’t, did you miss the memo ?

That being said, they can release Cata Classic and you can have you fun with that.

As long as they allow players to transfer their characters to some Wolk Era serveurs, I don’t mind.

These servers could also lead to a Wotlk Plus, with the kind of new additions I mentioned in my previous posts and no new level cap.

Would be wonderful and I’d take that new train.

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I used to have big bright classic+ eyeballs, shining towards a happy future.
Then i woke up.

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Then I’m currently sleeping, but with one eye opened.

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If they decide to go the TBC route we won’t get any WOTLK era servers. At all.
I think they will add some WOTLK era servers but it will be some time after (if) they release Cata classic.

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Yes you might be right.

To be fair, I’m being naive and I’m counting on Blizzard to be aware that Wotlk is a huge milestone in Wow history.

After all, this is both the most successful expansion ever and the last stop before E.Kingdoms/Kalimdor full revamp. So it’s kind of special, I guess.

This might justify some Wotlk Era servers, which could also lead to Wotlk Plus ones, whatever that means. I just see the possibility of a new beginning from there.

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I think we never will see any Vanilla+, TBC+ or even WOTLK+ servers as that entails that blizz has to spen resources to developing new contenent for them and why bother to do that when they can just copy+paste old content with some minor tweaks and call it a day :disappointed:

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I agree for vanilla+, TBC+ or Wrath+ but Wrath Era won’t require any development and will retain those players that only play Wrath. If all Wrath realms go to Cataclysm, many Wrath enjoyers will cancel their sub. TBC could be released as seasonal with transfer to Wrath at the end.
Me personally I would love to complete as many classic achievements as I can. Because I also play Classic Hardcore and Dragonflight, I won’t have enough time until the end of Wrath.

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I am 10000% sure they will keep WOTLK era servers as they keep Vanilla, because the vast majority (75%) of Private servers were Wotlk before classic, so there is a huge playerbase of Wrath enjoyers they can’t afford to lose.

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I hope Wotlk will be forever :slight_smile:

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I can only accept Cataclysm Classic if it’s in addition to not instead of Wrath no further progress realms.

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It depends.

If it’s a case of YOU WILL UPGRATE TO CATA, no choice, no chance of playing the expansion you want, then fine. I quit my account goodbye WoW and time to move on to something else. There’s been a whole batch of decent new games released this year, with more to come in 2024.

If I get a choice of remaining on a perma WotLK server, then fine - I’ll keep on paying my sub.

I have absolutely no interest in playing the utter dumbed-down, clownish, trashy pile of stinking, rancid poo that is Cataclysm and I’m not the only one.

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