What has happened to the community?

I started to play WoW during TBC and the community was a complete cesspit. It’s always harder when your only interactions are with strangers and you don’t have friends or guildies to mix with.

A lot of socialising has shifted to discords, most guilds have them these days. There are all sorts of communities as well as guilds. It sounds like you need to find yourself a nice home somewhere.

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thats so true.

yesterday i tanked a hc dungeon because i needed some equip and it gave me top tier anxiety. i was always afraid i am not moving fast enough or pulling unneccessary things, losing aggro or something like that.

i really want to get into tanking but the community puts me off. never had this issue when my friends were playing and we were just having fun. it then didnt matter if we didnt get a key in time or we would just screw around trying new things.

its really a confidence thing as well. its intimidating if even the dps have almost double the hp than i do combined with not knowing the dungeons really well from a tanks perspective. so of course people get impatient. not everyones like that of course but you definitely get some bad apples.

i dont know if zen horde/scared of dungeons still exist but maybe thats worth giving a shot when you re new or returning to the game.

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I don’t find the community any more or less helpful than it was 10+ years ago.

It all depends on how lucky you are.

I got that dungeon by mistake after I pressed LFD heroic on my Forsaken Priest.
Hated every second of it as I was unfamiliar with it and didn’t even stepped foot on Nazjstar yet.

Fortunately, for me, the tank didn’t knew the dungeon either.

I failed miserably on the part where you have to pass through the robots, while cursing all the time.
I expected 100% to be removed, by this time.

The group killed the boss called me to go with them, by the back entrance and we went to the last boss.

This is why I love normal/heroic dungeon base level.
People are more chilled.

I avoid anything that comes after that, like plague.

Cheers.

Pugging usually is the “hard way” of learning because people usually go there and expect people to already know what to do.

If you wanna go with more chill people, you need to write down couple more line in dungeon description.

That way you usually end up with people learning new class and role and everyone is more chill. Sometimes you end up with a clown that can’t read but it is really rare.

Just put up your 2 keys and state “learning to tank - chill run”.

They both still exist and welcoming new people :hugs:

(A) Scared of Dungeons

(H) Zen Horde

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In pugs everyone can be rude without consequenses and say stuff like they never could otherwise.

Like others have said you need a friendly guild or friends from the game that you know will respect you otherwise you are just a random player that they can say anything to without putting their reputation at steak.

Myself almost always take my time to help others with questions and sometimes if they ask for help even if it takes 30 minutes of my time. The other day a lvl 10 asked for 40 silver for his proffesion on classic and I send him 1g just to make him happy because I know how much I would appreciate it if someone was nice to me if I was new to the game.

Probably seems pretty weird since I most likely seems like a negative player that argues a lot on the forum.

I got told im not allowed to be on an rp server because i dont rp, i rp very rarely but i like to walk around in stealth & watch others rp, is some good entertainment

You can’t even be perfect

I used to boost people in norm dung & heroic ( To help people level faster ) around 40% of the time i got kicked at 2-3/4 bosses down and when i asked why it was just ‘‘dunno’’ so you can’t even boost people right without getting the boot

We all do darling, im a support player whos always trying to be nice & polite

But here i am angry ranting worgin who can get toxic sometimes

Hello. Allow me to try throw my little bunch in the fire.

The reason why people are not afraid to act unfriendly and toxic is anonymity that various tools like group finders and cross server playing brought to the game.

Before cross realm play was a thing, people had to socialize more and if some person was toxic, he was very soon disliked by the realm community and he had to work on his social skills or well
 reroll on another server.

Nowadays WoW can feel like a game where other players are neccesary evil that you just use to get better gear and suffer group content with them. When everyone can hide comfortably behind this anonimity it is much easier to insult people, be mean and/or not helpful.

But players who are not toxic have means to fight against this. There is an option to join (or even form) guild and communities. If you join a guild or community, the anonymous players becomes friends and guildies and that motivates them to behave again.

Hope that helped.

There is no need for players to interact together. You have all of the “Quality of Life” changes to thank for that e.g. auto-teleport to dungeons and not having to make your own dungeon groups.

Most people now just don’t even bother and just want to rush through the dungeon to get to the end-“reward”, so they can move on to the next dungeon or world quest.

This is what many people thought that they wanted and it’s what you got. Don’t complain about it now :smile:

I rest my case.

They don’t get anything out of helping you. It’s easier to just get rid of you.

Nothing. While there are a lot of good changes on retail, the release of the Classic realms clearly shows that the way the games force (or don’t force) players to play together reflects their behavior.

On Classic WoW you rely on your group. You need to put in the effort to find or create a group from scratch yourself, which requires you to be nice, because nobody wants a jerk in their group.

This is not the case on retail. You’re just automatically tossed in to one and there’s no need for any social interaction whatsoever.

Another thing is that on Classic you’ve got somewhat of a server reputation to maintain or you could risk being kicked from your guild and nobody will want to play with you any longer. We have had a few of these cases in my Classic Guild. After they caused a lot of drama and grief with us they were removed and no other guild wanted to take them any longer and they were forced to transfer off of the server.

On Retail there aren’t any sort of consequences to acting like a d*ck. Even being removed from a group won’t really do anything because you can just click a button and find a new one.

This is a misconception. My experience on Classic compared to my experiences on retail are night-and-day.

People are friendlier on classic because that’s the most productive way to go.

Mind you that this isn’t a “classic vs retail”-answer.

It’s me explaining why these quality of life changes affect the behavior of players.

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See – this guy gets it.

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I suggest finding a social guild or joining a community. You can find people to play with, if you find yourself comfortable you can do multiple runs and make friends along the way.

If you don’t know dungeons routes I think you should queue as DPS in order to become familiar with mechanics. If you want to tank you should ask someone from your guild (assuming you have one or you’re looking for one).

Not all are ‘horrible’.
When you use LFD tool or LFG you can find someone who’s willing to help or someone who just want to finish the dungeon in order to do something else.

Meh, I’ve met toxic & nice people on retail and classic but that’s not the point of the topic so I’ll leave it at that.

I hope you find friendlier people soon, there are quite a few of them out there, trust me :slight_smile:

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I cannot accurately remember what it was like back in my WoW heyday, but the modern behavior also struck me quite negatively when I returned.

I’m not even participating in anything higher than LFR, mostly random BGs and leveling dungeons as I try out the different classes. Still, I managed to see more insults flung around in my first week of returning than in the, like, 4 years on a different game prior.

The most bizarre case was a tank and healer just insulting and constantly trying to 1-up each other to make their respective life more difficult while we DPS were just desperately trying to salvage the run by blowing all our CC to ruin their wiping plans. We ended up having to 3 man the last boss.

I dunno. Doesn’t seem to be a Retail thing either, because after the (admittedly awesome) honeymoon phase passed, I got to witness the same in Classic. Had a group where our tank got kicked for not skipping a trash group, which lead to the group disbanding due to not finding a replacement within 30 minutes.

Like, what the actual
? I think that was my breaking point actually. I haven’t logged into Classic in a while and that’s my last memory of it.

Thankfully, the last couple days (in Retail) have been quite pleasant. I suppose all the angry people are too busy on their mains to sour the leveling dungeons.

friendly people are there, they are just lost in a maelstrom of embittered people who think they have a right to be downright nasty to complete strangers because they can hide behind a mask of anonymity called the internet where the maximum punishment is a ban.

Just look at these forums and try to disagree with a thread full of people all parroting each other. You’d think you had just stated your intent to invade Poland.

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“LFD and LFR made me antisocial!!”

Yes of course it did and the invention of sidewalks made me want to never drive a car.

Stop blaming tools for people being ignorant. They did that themselves.

Find friendly people to play with. A guild or another form of community. It takes a bit of social effort if you don’t already know people from fifteen years ago, and I imagine it’s harder now to make friends because there is less need for social reputation (everything is cross-server, more anonymous, more fast-food-like).

Toxic loudmouths can give the impression that everyone is like that, but I believe that the majority of players are still nice folks. They may just stick to their existing social circles because they’ve played for years.

There is a stickied thread at the top of this forum section for making friends. This might be a good starting point.

What happened to this community?
Hah! I’m glad you asked.
The good community is having fun in WoW Classic :wink:
Seeya there