Hello!
What is exactly warcraft logs? It is something official from Blizzard? It’s something i need to have in order to do pve? It’s visible to everyone or i can hide it?
Thanks!
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Combat logs are from Blizzard. You log them in a text document on your PC by typing /combatlog. You can upload that one onto Warcraftlogs which will then display it and auto delete your log if you tempered with the text document to alter your logs. Everyone can access uploaded logs unless they are private.
Your own logs can be made private but that wont exactly help you. I assume you got rejected by a guild because of logs. If you hide them and encounter a guild that checks logs and sees you have disabled them will cause them to tell you to link them or just decline you. You can hide the logs by making an account and claiming your ingame character through a check.
Also even if your logs are private but i upload a log where you were part of the encounter people can still see your performance if they access my log.
No you dont need it to PvE.
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Logs are by definition an elitist tool, although more and more people turn towards them, especially if auto-analytics and scoring is in place.
At the surface level, it shows your throughput, but analysts can dive into it and discover your spell preferences, whether you use cooperative spells, whether you switch to adds, do you take proportionally more (or less) damage, stuff like that.
It’s very similar to your 200,000€ coding job where you take a 20+ hour evaluation, and they would check every single habit of yours if possible. But it’s worth to you because then you’ll be part of an elite team where everyone is near perfect and you’ll quite likely do big stuff together - and the money.
For a random job? Find another loser.
For a very elite guild, it makes sense to fish the best of the best, but for an average guild, it smells from looking for people who would practically boost them, being overly picky because they don’t actually need anyone, and looking for established folks instead of growing together. I know, learning by doing is so 2006, but anyway.
Back in my heyday we’d just do a daily heroic or two together with four from the guild, they’d casually look at Recount for rough numbers. Good enough? Trial. Still good enough? Membership granted.
Low gear, nice guy? Social. Grown and seems good when playing together? Trial, and so forth.
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Or, get this, some people just want to know how they can improve at the game and if they’re good at it.
Our guild logs all our raids and we do it entirely and exclusively because our members ask for it. We do sometimes check the logs to figure out what’s going on in a fight that makes us lose, but we never go in there to go “LOL MR LOSER OVER HERE DOES ONLY PERCENTILE 6 DAMAGE WHAT A LOSER LET’S REPLACE HIM”.
If someone is genuinely problematically bad it’s not hard to see that in-game as you play.
People lose DPS because they dodge mechanics, or because they get asked to move away, or because they’re unlucky and the boss just casts everything under the sun on them, or because of some other reason. It doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is did the boss die?
I’d also like to remind all potential raiders that a dead DPS deals 0 DPS. Always focus on staying alive first and doing damage second. You’ll do better that way.
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It also prevents stuff like “i didnt” or “i did” since the logs dont lie. Logs can also provide evidence that you did what youre supposed to do.
Raw damage is not something many guilds care about unless certain DPS checks have to be met and in that case logs can be checked once more to determine if everyone did their job and who didnt so that person can be addressed to push his numbers. And that isnt “elitist” like so many people want to make it out to be.
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Or its a great tool to find out what are the main causes for wiping and etc. Quite useful on progression fights.
A tool is a tool. How the person you use it is the different case. Its the same question: “Do guns kill or the people pulling the trigger?”
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Not all guilds use it as an ‘elitist tool’ either. Some use it to analyse what went wrong others use it to help people improve. Obviously if you are applying to a guild that is going for Cutting Edge they are going to be more picky with people’s logs than a guild whose aim is clearing heroic every tier.
Some guilds hide all their logs and keep them private, others will leave them all as public listings. People who tend to log, will log most things, even pugs.
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logs are also used to draw an accurate timeline of the fight to organize cooldowns.
on an individual level it tells you how much you contributed to each phase of the fight, ie mitigating a large rad aoe and how much stress the other healers needed to take.
sure, there are idiots who just look at who has the biggest numbers but that’s not the fault of logs in general
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I do (did) that for myself in Heroes. Even uploaded all.
Elitist isn’t necessarily a negative word. Often used so, in contrast to “human”, but it’s more of a synonym of caring-about-being-professional.
For example, there are people in Heroes who invited me to their parties to play together, because playing is for fun, and they did have fun. I didn’t, simply because I was eaten alive. Similar to yesterday’s BRD with my hunter, I was clearly subpar, although we 4 manned the end of our story and team said it was all good.
I’ve responded to the body of the OP which implies “looking for playmates” application of logs, or judgmental high horsing about others, not post-partum analysis for yourself.
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“Elitist tool”.
I lol’d. Dat hammer is elitist!
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Watch out for that spanner!
don’t listen to this guy, logs are a tool, as every tool they can be used for a variety of reasons, elitism has inherently nothing to do with logs.
log in general are just a record of what you did in a fight, there are tools to save and compare your logs with other players.
For example raid logs are useful to see how you compare to other players of your specs and see where you can improve, if you want to, or to have better data for a raidleader to study how to approach a fight in progressions ( cooldown use, healing and damage spikes etc).
our guild logs our raid fights even if we are mostly casual, we are still curious and it’s no harm to see where you can improve, as we just aim for curve it is not necessary, but a helpful tool, after the raid you can check them or you can ignore them, nobody in an average guild will force you to study your logs, or will pick on the way you play from it, but I like to check mine to see if I really sucked, or if i performed on average.
if you are in a raid or party, others can see your logs if they are really curious about it for some reason, but nobody will care as a normal dmgmeter is enough for people to “decide” if you are slacking in a pug.
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It’s big, it’s heavy, it’s wood . It’s log, log! It’s better than bad, it’s good! Everyone wants a log!
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It does and it doesnt.
In reality it does not.
In the fairy tale some people are living in, elitism has to do with everything related to them not getting what they feel entitled to.
Its just another one of modern boogeymen.
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