just give malfurion or some other important night elf druid, plant a seed on it and let it grow.
not like teldrassil is the first tree that got turned into a smouldering ruin
That does not solve the grave injury and insult that we committed.
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Glances at the blackened scar of burnt land and the ruins of every single Forsaken settlement on Tirisfal.
Think we already retaliated for that.
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You are in the minority on that, even Blizzard stated that Dazar’alor was a continuation of the balancing for Teldrassil as Undercity wasn’t enough.
That’s definitely, not having the Horde getting it “easy” after Teldrassil.
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Crap. The Bulwark is still held by the Forsaken, on my way west to check Deathknell and the rest.
Cold Heart Manor still belongs to the Forsaken. Calston’s estate too. Deathknell is intact. Gunther’s retreat still held by Gunther.
So, your dramatic glancing is lore incorrect, try again.
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I think a few maps will suffice?
Tirisfal Glades:
And… Teldrassil:
Hold on, there is no map of Teldrassil! It’s burned down! Haha, oops!
http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/WoWScrnShot_051618_204406.jpg
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Basically to put it simple: the Goal was to take out the Zandalari fleet, capture the Troll King using him as a Hostage to not make the Zandalari pull out of this war, with the promise that once the war was over the Troll king would be returned to them.
However Instead the Alliance merely got the Fleet crippled, believed by sparring the Trolls of no more deaths than Necessary and the capture of their king, would prevent the Zandalari from making a move in this war, since you cannot risk anything happening to the King.
not to mention it would make a means for the Alliance to forcibly negotiate with Rastakhan, thus severing the ties between the Horde and Zandalar.
Now by taking out the Fleet the Alliance Control the Seas, meaning the Horde can only go on the defensive which will make them lose in a few weeks time, unless of course they manage to regain their footing.
On in the likely case the Naga are going interfere thus the War between the Horde and the Alliance is delayed for its conclusion as the Naga are attacking in force, making both sides prioritizing this new thread as the Naga Armies are vast.
In a shorter Term, the Alliance believed by showing compassion and enforcing negotiations with the King of the Empire, they could make Rastakhan not Stand with the Horde, by force.
As for Attacking Orgrimmar.
Yeah good luck with that one, that place is fortified way better than the last time it was under siege.
And without the Night elves breathing down upon the Fortress that’s going to be one bloody fight + you know the Horde has more soldiers there and can more easily reinforce their defenses as a whole compared to the rate the Alliance can send down Ships there.
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As said several times previous, everyone agrees that the attack on the Zandalari fleet was a logical and smart idea.
My point was that the attack on Dazar’lor didn’t seem logical. The fleet could have been destroyed without the attack.
If the plan was to capture King Rastakhan, then the Alliance is pictured as idiots. Plan A was to politely ask Rastakhan to come freely and plan B was to… Oh yea, there were no plan B. They didn’t bring any ways of subduing or convincing him. The hole plan was based on him coming along when they asked him nicely. What kind of plan is that?
Especially after the War of Thorns, where the NE clearly didn’t want to surrender against a much larger force, and would rather fight to the death. Sorta ironic that the Alliance apparently learned nothing from that…
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You’d think that form of strategy would have quickly gone outdated after Teldrassil, but oh well.
It’s the trend nowadays apparently.
They brought a sizable assault force to deal with him, and by deal I mean force a surrender. They could not have known that Bwonsamdi would imbue him full of dark powers and that Bwonsamdi would get personally-directly involved in the fight. Considering that the assault team forced a flee by arguably the most powerful of the known loas, can’t really fault them for having to take out Rastakhan as well imho. Turtle Loa’s reincarnated by this point so doesn’t count.
See above.
The Kaldorei are used to fighting against terribad odds (Legion, Legion, Legion). While the Kaldorei were dealing with the foolishness of the Highborne in the Great Sundering, the Zandalari were safe behind protective spells that blocked the crashing waves. This is not to mock them, but to point out that these are very different races with different perceptions/histories of casualties and sacrifices.
The strategy to sink the Golden Fleet is a sound one, and without the Navy - the Horde have little in the ways of tools to actually fight with, outside of Kalimdor and Zandalar. They can rage and curse the Alliance, but no ships = reduced projection. If the aerial forces get whittled down, it’s all over (Assuming not already) and even Orgrimmar can be shelled in safety. Kinda like D-Day or the War of 1812.
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Where?
The Zandalari in the Horde would tip the balance against the Alliance, hence the Golden Fleet had to be destroyed. It was destroyed and their king slain for good measure. The Alliance now have the upper hand in the war - that they did not start this time - and thus are on course for victory.
Undercity should have been D-Day for the Alliance yet somehow they scorched their way up through Tirisfal without any notable losses appareantly.
D-Day casualties for the Allies were some 10,000+ casualties out of an initial force of 156,000, so by WWII standards - low. Considering the total force eventually landed for the Battle was around a million troops? Barely a dent.
That said, are we talking about the same Undercity? Cos I remember big Blight clouds and entire battlegroups going up in green mist.
By the time of the Siege the Zandalari are actively participating in invasions to Boralus itself.
Pushing the attack beyond the ships was to kick them in the teeth, give them a chance to back out of the war, show that joining the Horde is not without cost.
Well, they still join because Blizz because thats the story blizz want to tell.
Honestly, I’m surprised we didn’t figure it out sooner. How could Dazar’alor not be a raid map, with such an awful layout?
Yes, but, when that has happened before, and is responded with even greater fury against the invaders, surely doing it again does not mean it was done with greater wisdom?
I keep telling people. Despite it being a sound strategy in ‘muh realistic terms hurr hurr hurr’, this tactic does not work in WoW and has SHOWN it TWICE now that it does not.
But hey, third time’s the charm right?!
-_-
Thats always been the Alliance thing, tho! Look at the aftermath of the Second War, Third War, Scourge Invasion, Fourth War, Blood War, Northrend, War of Thorns, etc.
We win… But we lose.
Not saying Horde got it any better, though. Atleast we have heroes we can grow attached to, and from whom we’ll know they’ll be around 10.000+ years or even 25.000 years!
You mean that one Forsaken Village we sacked… What was it? Brill, I think?
Yea, that was quite the retaliation for the loss of 2 villages and a Capital City on Teldrassil, Lor’danel in Darkshore and Astranaar in Ashenvale! We totally retaliated for those villages and City with the destruction of g0ddamn Brill.
Anyways; I think the goal was already explained enough as it is. Destruction of the Fleet and the fact that they tried to dissuade the Zandalari about joining the Horde, which massively backfired. So let the flamefest begin! I’ll happily jump in 
I don’t know man, I wouldn’t have been the first time the Zandalari gave up their fight against a superiour force(Kaldorei Empire) or just loose the battle(Throne of Thunder)… So it wasn’t that much of a stretch to assume the Zandalari would capitulate again.
Were they, though? I remeber they had to flee to the top of their sacred Mountains(making the whole of Zandalar mountain tops, really) in the same way the Kaldorei had to flee to Hyjal during the Sundering!
Sounds like every Horde assault on any Alliance outpost, really! But, its only not cool when the Alliance does it! D:
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‘‘When the Great Sundering came, the wise Zandalari trolls wove swift magics to protect their realm. The land around their territory shuddered; waves crashed in and trees and soil sank beneath the waves. Through it all, the Zandalari’s land remained largely intact. After the Sundering, the Zandalari discovered that their territory was now an island. Seeing no reason to leave it, they set about rebuilding their settlements and continuing their studies.[11] They adapted to island life, and over thousands of years, learned how to master the seas.[20]’’
https:/
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Anyway, my point was that they didn’t take MASSIVE losses fighting the Legion.
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Seems we’re both, partially, correct… Since apparently parts of their land did get swallowed by the sea! D:
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