Just let it go. If someone is bankrolled and has no understanding of value, you never going to win.
Won’t do. You can’t get to max skill unless you first craft tons of non max quality rings and no one is going to give you the mats to craft those. I can craft the ring with juwe on this character, but he’s not max skill and hence can’t craft the item in a good quality… plus, what use does is have for me to be able to craft one item? I want more than one item from a profession. In SL and previously I was also able to craft all gems I needed for all my alts at this point in time, now I don’t even have the knowledge points to unlock the recipies. I gave up on crafting professions.
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You can now buy the Epic PVP items relatively cheaply on the AH. 5-10k maximum. You can easily make that Gold from doing WQ’s.
Even if you buy 1 of the recipes, you can then offer to make the item for free for people.
I did it with my leather working.
But I’m not interested in PvP items or doing WQs for gold only… and crafting stuff for free doesn’t give me any gold either… then I rather don’t lvl any profession and use the gold I earn doing other stuff to buy crafted items (or mats to let them be crafted).
As I said, professions have lost their usefulness for me in DF. Self-sufficentness no longer works, but it did in previous addons, hence what they did to profession is a bad change in my eyes and no amount of “buts” can make me change my mind, only the devs abandoning item quality or knowledge points will.
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Then you’re not interesting in levelling up your Profession then.
Don’t say something is impossible just because you can’t be bothered to do it.
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As so many other aspects of the game, profession have become a full time job. I don’t want to spend all my time in the game lvl one profession. Grinding knowledge points and gold / mats. It’s too tedious. I have an alt for each class on max lvl soon and no time to grind profession with all of them. In the past, reachign max lvl with a profession was easy and after that it was good to be used for gearing alts, this is no longer the case, that’s what I’m complainign about.
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I’ve done nothing but lose gold this expansion. 
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I don’t really think it’s a full time job. It’s something I really enjoy playing. It’s added so much value to my interactions with other players.
Whilst I don’t think the system is perfect, I think it is much better than previous iterations.
The systems biggest downfall is the Region-wide AH. I think that has spoilt the experience for alot of players, more so, than it has improved.
Don’t do it then.
Play what you enjoy.
It’s just another mode of play. And I personally have been really enjoying it. I have several Profs Maxed out now. I’m a goto player on my server. If I can’t craft something myself, I can usually point you in the direction of someone who can craft it.
Except the Lariat. Lariat crafters have all disappeared recently. And the drop rate is so bad, nobody who is still playing can get one.
Point is, usually having a profession yourself was a way to “earn” gold in the sense that it was cheaper to craft stuff yourself than buying it on the AH. Now I have to pay gold to other ppl for clicking one button which I would’ve been able to klick myself if the devs hadn’t introduced this horrendous system. It’s frustrating.
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This is the part where you are incorrect.
That player hasn’t just clicked 1 Button. That player has done alot more backwork to it than that.
However, I do get your point about lack of Self-sufficiency. Even I buy stuff form AH that I can craft myself, because it’s cheaper. Again, the fault of the Region wide AH.
But in the trade off we have a much more enjoyable system and game to work with.
What has happened now, is that you don’t have players with army of alts, just crafting commodities to sell at 3 times the price to pay for their monthly WoW Token. You have to actually get into the system.
I do think that there should be more sources of Gold in the open world though. Maybe from Paragon, or daily emissaries.
It’s sad when someone thinks my 5k-10k Charge for a craft is too expensive. Especially when I spent 200k on the recipe, that only drops from the raid.
I think this more means just a couple of players have an enjoyable system. While before basically everybody had uses out of their professions. I am for sure not interested in the weekly grinds.
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But some people take Professions and the Economy very seriously.
Just like some take M+, Raiding and PVP very seriously. I used to enjoy PVP, but the system has moved on to a point where I just don’t enjoy getting into even casual BG’s anymore. But there is a whole community of players who do enjoy that.
The new profession system has just created a mode of Progression for those who do enjoy this system. And as I say, it has overall been a great experience.
I think people do fear that they are too late to enter. I don’t think that is true at all. I am often giving other players advice on how to get onto their feet and on the market.
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Yes. Some 
But before basically everyone had use out of their professions. That is the tradeoff of the current system.
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Nobody has taken that away from you.
It’s just a more in-depth system than before.
It doesn’t involve very much maintenance. Which isn’t much of a trade off for a much more enjoyable system. If you choose not to play the game, don’t complain about the game.
As I said previously, the only real downfall of the system is the Region-wide AH.
I am only mentioning before DF we did play the professions and now we don’t since it is a weekly gind. I am happy for the players who enjoy it though. But professions are taken from us casual players. You choose to spend multiple hours weekly on it. I don’t. Before it wasn’t needed.
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I do think part of the reason why Blizzard introduced this system was make it harder for Casual players to level an Army Alts, spend 30 mins AFK crafting Commodities and then listing them on AH, in order to pay for their monthly WoW Token.
All too often, I would hear from players “I just want to pay my monthly sub with Gold”. And whilst I appreciate that everyone wants to pay for free, that isn’t good for Blizzards business.
So they have created a system with a little bit more of a barrier to entry before you can start of make an income. It’s doesn’t take much work, maybe 30mins a week for 2 or 3 weeks to get yourself started. And you can stop there once you have what you want.
You can still use the system to Gather materials and craft your own consumables. If you don’t want to pay the AH price.
However, if you’re falling into the category of I don’t want to do the work. Then I’m sorry to say, this system was created to work against you.
I do they should increase Gold sources in the game. Adding more gold to Paragon chests and re-introducing daily Emissaries.
And we are allowed to give our oppinion about it on the forums as feedback
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Ofcourse you are.
Like I’m allowed to give my opinion on why I think it has created a much more indepth and enjoyable game, and has created much more valuable social interactions.
Here we have the point of view of someone who has tried that system and has first hand experience, and the point of view of someone who can’t be bothered.
If one player plays for free, another is spending £17 on a token for gold. How is it bad for business? They get more income from tokens than subs.
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While I agree with you on other points, I disagree on Region wide AH.
Im playing on low pop server and being able to access all customers in EU is advantage for me and that is why I spec in regionwide AH stuff and not crafting gear.
Crafting gear is completely different beast, requires being in city, waiting for customers, being patient to educate customers, etc.
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