I am just wondering what is the state of the infamous organisation known as the Scarlet Crusade. It seems that after all these duengons/questlines/quests they are nothing but a favored horse to be beaten by the Blizzard…
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dead and buried. yet on the rare occasion you’ll still find rp groups trying to emulate them.
it never ends well.
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In Legion it was shown that the Scarlet Onslaught is (somehow) kicking around their base of operations in the Dragonblight, which would be the most up-to-date reference of their activities. I guess they are no more the Scarlet Crusade in the same vein as how the Argent Dawn became the Argent Crusade.
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Lorewise, the Scarlet forces are scattered when the large remainder of them were slaughtered by the Deathlord and the Ebon Blade at the Scarlet Monastery during Legion. It wouldn’t be surprising if you encountered a small group of them in the Plaguelands.
However, surprisingly, the Scarlet Onslaught still control New Heartglen.
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They’re occupying Capital City, lead by the Scarlet Queen of Lordaeron after routing the Forsaken years ago.
Make sure you’re paying your tithes on time, lest you engender the wrath of the Merciful Queen who is also the Merciless Queen.
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Destroyed in Wrath of the Lich King.
No, wait, it survived, nevermind, destroyed in Mists of Pandaria.
No, wait, it survived, nevermind, destroyed in Legion.
I think you can see the pattern. Any time Blizzard wants to do storyline with Scarlet Crusade, they somehow manage to survive their latest destruction, get enough members (somehow) to once again reclaim Scarlet Monastery and get immediately destroyed by anyone fighting them in said storyline.
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Basically, they’re the equivalent of the Zandalari trolls causing trouble for both sides that appear in almost every expansion.
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Hmph…and I thought that we will be done with them in Legion…but nah! We killed Whitemane and I am sure that few more Scarlet bosses will pop up without any proper lore clarification…
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Based on what I’ve see in the gameworld, it could be anything:
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(Almost) Completely destroyed, after all there’s been quite some questslines doing just that.
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Totally alive. After all, the updated BFA Tirisfal zone shows them wandering around their monastery still, and Legion featured some as well (arguably that’s the Onslaught, but they’re basically the same thing).
There’s probably numerous holes in my above statements, but I think it can be interpreted in several ways.
So I’d say it’s somewhere in the middle between life and death. In other words, just embrace the vagueness offered by Blizzard and go with what the story requires. As long as people remember that they’ve always been portrayed as well, you know, violently hostile, and not some misunderstood martyrs.
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One of our members asked Blizzard on Twitters a few weeks ago.
We got this answer :
Thank you for your patience! Sorry about the wait, our office equipment is goblin made so explosions do happen!
The Scarlet Crusade suffered badly at the hands of the Knights of the Ebon Blade, in their quest to resurrect Sally Whitemane. While they did declare that they would not leave until every last crusader had been killed and every banner burned, it’s not clear at this moment how far they succeeded. There have been a few sightings of Scarlet Crusade members around the world, but it’s not clear if these are the last remnants of a dying faction or the seeds of a revival. Only time will tell!
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It’s the same as every other fringe faction in-game. Blizzard makes entire scenarios and quests where you go on a rampage in a hostile faction’s base of operations and murder every living being, only for them to return for the sake of fan service or because their already developed themes suit the narrative of an expansion or patch.
Same thing happened with the Illidari, the Twilight Hammer, Iron Horde, Dark Irons loyal to Ragnaros, Leper Gnomes, Scourge in the Plaguelands, Defias Brotherhood, Black/Twilight Dragonflight and so on.
At this point no-one can safely say that X faction is dead/wiped out. And no-one can safely condemn these Scarlet Crusade guilds because they can simply mention how their supposed destruction has occurred three times or more and yet are still represented in the game world.
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One hauled the entire armory to the darkmoon fair and sells them to you if you wear the tabard.
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Not that I would blame them. I wasn´t part of this server (I actually wasn´t even playing on Retail back then), but I liked reading discussions on official forum, including those about RP and what I remember is long discussions (it was in MoP) about Scarlet guilds and how they shouldn´t be a thing because Scarlet Crusade has been destroyed and how those who RPed it well did event to basically get killed, with few survivors being scattered and left alone and doing otherwise was bad RP that should be condemned.
And then, 3 years later, Legion was released and they suddenly controlled Scarlet Monastery in the lore.
I think at this point, it´s not even about “we can´t safely say X faction is wiped out”. We should just automatically assume they are still a thing.
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“Magic must serve man”, not rule over him!
Basically, yes. Unless we get word of god saying ‘oh, yeah, those sods are SUPER DUPER DEAD’, just assume they’re still in one piece (or five-ish pieces) because that’s frankly just the most realistic approach.
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The Scarlet Crusade as an organisation is no more, there is Scarlet Onslaught who’s cleaning up after the crusade as well as securing relics, books and artifacts for an unknown location - that is the last we’ve heard of their activity.
This whole discussion is about Blizzard bringing in organizations that were supposed to be destroyed in lore back and how at this point we shouldn´t even assume they are gone because of many, many examples where “destroyed” organizations actually survived and you come here and say they are gone.
Sure thing, buddy.
Scarlet Onslaught still kicking -
As for the crusade safer to just go with wiped out remaining members in hiding.
Or if you are interested you can look at the debated stuff.
Scarlet Monastery was held by the crusade up until legion dk questline, since this is the case the Scarlet Palisade could also still have been in the crusades hands…and since the dks never went to the palisade it still could be today.
BFA zone updated scarlet npcs still there people will
(A) argue that blizzard were just lazy.
(B) The palisade is in fact still in scarlet hands since the Voss npc was removed from the area - suggesting the area was updated as intended.
If be well…your left with a very small group cut off from the world because of the plague with I guess a local farm to keep them going but that’s it.
( questlines for the palisade go all the way back at cata but the questlines never suggested it was wiped out )
Take what you will on it.
Any remnants have been absorbed into the Army of the Light, as their zeal, bravery and devotion makes them worthy subjects and worthier soldiers.
Don’t like it? Deal with it. This is absolutely based headcanon.
Oh, and non-believers? You better convert while you can, because your big, ugly heretic faces are gonna get wiped off the face of Azeroth. The Army’s SWELLIN’.
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