I understand but still with lore we are forced to take what blizzard gives us.
If scarlet rpers knew for example they could of been up at the Monastery during all of warlords, mop. without breaking lore reasons wouldn’t that have been great.
Only to find out yet again nope you cant wiped out again.
But look at least legion did give scarlet fans New Hearthglen this we at least know is in scarlet hands…until blizzard needs it on the chopping block again.
Did Blizz explicitly tell/show us ‘the Crusade is now super duper dead’? If not, going by what Blizz gives us is acknowledging that they’re still out there.
Still out there sure, but I don’t think it be right for scarlet rpers to just show up now at the monastery like all is well.
you know what I mean?
Oh, yeah, sure, that place got absolutely razed.
People we could be arguing for days over this. Chill, chill!
Agreed.
New Hearthglen
Or
maybe the scarlet Palisade
In the same vein, I guess the Lich King’s army is still roaming Northrend as Blizzard haven’t told us they’re all dead nor have they removed any of the mobs in Northrend. Same goes for the Twilight’s Hammer in the Highlands - nobody’s come out and said they’re dead so I guess since there’s mobs there they’re still there, right?
I definitely agree when it comes to certain places, but there are people out there talking about entire organization being destroyed, because it got destroyed in Legion, which I can never agree with due to Blizzard´s track of bringing back factions that were destroyed before.
I mean, if it was done in the way of Defias Brotherhood in Cata, that would be fine, after all, ideas survive even after people who carry them die, but as far as I know, they are the only organization in WoW that was like this. Black Dragonflight, Twilight´s Hammer, Twilight Dragonflight, Scarlet Crusade, Scarlet Onslaught, all the organizations that were either said to have been destroyed or heavily implied to be destroyed (I mean, I don´t think there has been a single update on Scarlet Onslaught between WotLK and Legion) are still kicking. Sometimes they bring in entire races, like blue dragons (who were described as extinct in Day of Dragon, yet were in Warcraft III) or high elves.
So, assuming that some organization (especially Scarlet Crusade) in WoW is really gone is just absurd. We should know better by now.
It’s not a matter of locale with those factions, rather the representation in general. Bolvar has to be the new Lich King to be the jailor of the Scourge, meaning there are probably undead he has to govern over in Northrend. The Twilight Hammer is evidently active as there’s a bunch of them who have crawled out of the woodwork in 8.1 Darkshore doing their usual thing.
The Scarlet Crusade is different because we have returned for the umpteenth time to the same monastery to wipe them out. They aren’t exactly that widespread.
Bolvar has full control of the Scourge in Northrend, however he doesn’t have much power over them outside of that. He leaves his agents to govern them while he regains his power over time. Dunno why Blizzard didn’t give him full control in the first place. I mean he’s the Lich King.
Unlike the CrusadeOnslaught, the LK and his gang haven’t come back two times outta nowhere after being presumed entirely dead.
They appear to all be in stormwind.
What’s a stormwind and why would anyone RP there?
The ride NEVER ENDS
Depressing
The Twilight’s Hammer is a beast of an entirely different nature, unlike the Scarlet Crusade, they have a far stronger set of patrons on their side allowing for near constant regeneration. They’ve transformed from a centralised cult in Cataclysm to cell-like cult from WoD + Legion onwards, much how they were portrayed back in Vanilla.
The Twilight’s Hammer won’t be stopped until all the Old Gods are neutralised, the Scarlet Crusade was neutered when Sally Whitemane was prevented from ressurecting herself (this is explicitly stated as the cause behind their constant revival).
In poetic justice they’re given their final ignoble end at the hands of the Deathlord, embodiment of all the things they hate and loath. Its very likely (with the modern lore at least) that the Scarlet Crusade was maddened not solely by Dreadlord corruption but also the Light itself turning them against folks, as the Naaru are shown to do this.
But the Twilight’s Hammer have. As have many factions we wiped out before, such as the Twilight Dragonflight, Mantid, etc. randomly appearing on Island Expeditions as well as a few other minor places. I’m not really convinced it’s solid lore but I’m just playing devil’s advocate here.
The most funny thing…is that Stormwind have been recently flooded by Scarlets who are clearly the citizens of the Alliance because they have so-called “documents”. There are good SC roleplayers around but still they are got overwhelmed by the worst type of Scarlet rp.
I personally have always found scarlets quite dull, but people like different things.
But my main gripe is that even beyond the dodgy lore of “dead or not” Scarlet rpers has every single time so far still messed up in some way.
Be
it/y recruiting in Stormwind in full uniforms, or as Sigil Seven did, claim & RP(seriously as well) ooc and IC, that the scarlet manpower rivaled all of the Alliance and Horde.
I’ve yet to see a guild acknowledge both their small numbers(even at their glory days it was small tbh) and situation as lunatics and outsiders that just cant pop into town.
Sigil of seven seems to return…enjoy your day in Stormwind!