What will be your talent tree in Classic/Vanilla?

[Ñðçtùrñå-silvermoon]

Sorry forgot to mention 2 things

1. Few guilds had their locks to respec into md/ruin for certain bosses. Felhunter in combination of resistance gear made warlocks require far less healing.
2. Youtube: That’s the world of warcraft that you play! Enjoy

[Pocman-zuljin]

That is the keyword lad, this why I first said Vanilla was what you like and not what is better. And True TBC was far better and I would’t play Vanilla. All classes before worlk had it’s own ID and speciality. What now is: DPS/HPS race.

That’s the thing: you liked it. But you din’t like because it was specially good. You liked it because it was a unique experience at the time due to being (for most people at least) the first MMRPOG, or the first one that was able to be playable. It’s like having sex: the first time is unforgettable, but gods, my girlfriend would dump me if I still did things like that. A lot of people mistake wanting Classic back with the emotions they felt during Classic: and that is not going to work.

As rank 7 in Vanilla I can confirm that Affliction Tanklock was a very strong defender in both Arathi and Warsong. Dispell back then was costing mana to healers and was removing one debuff only. Not all healers could dispell curse not all healers could dispell corruption. I was spending 50g (+50g to respec back) at the end of each week to respec into DP/SB and make my life way easier in bgs. Not to mention how many rogues who tried to duel me and left up cursing.

That’s just false. Several classes could dispel 2 magics at once, or one magic, 1 poison and one disease at once. And in any case, SL did not give that much tankiness.

Same raid we were 7 locks, 2xDS/ruin 2xSM/ruin 1xNight/FD/ruin and 2 Firelocks.
Don’t expect to top dps meters on every boss, every lock had its potency for different boss fights.
Of course the problem here is how updated your guild is? I know many ppl stack with SM/ruin simple because their old fashion class leader believes that bloodpact is very important in each raidgroup in BWL and AQ. If you stuck in such a guild and wondering why you still progressing MC while Naxx is coming, is your mistake.

The differences between those builds were minimal at best. At the end of the day, 80% of the damage was still coming from shadow bolt. No real difference in the playing style, except maybe adding one spell to the rotation.

THAT IS SO UNTRUE. The fact that lock was the only self sustain class with high dps says it all. You are right about most of the fight being spam sb but progressing through raids was a lot more than that. Here is an example of few fights that I had to sacrifice 2-3 different pets during fight, spam drain life, hellfire and/or rain of fire, immolate targets, aggro adds, interrupt, fear, howl of terror:

Obviously, you had more to do than that during the raid, but the dps rotation was just pressing shadowbolt and life tap. In some fights you would literally do that for 5 minutes non stop. Which will bore to death to anyone that has played the current iteration of the game.

And things like AOE, CC, etc, are still part of the game. But everything is more complex (and most of the times fun) aoe? I don’t only use hellfire or rain of fire, i need to cataclysm, rain of fire, havoc, ST targets for shard generation, etc. Single or priority target? my rotation is complex, and I need to take into account my shard generation, my havoc timer, my procs, etc. I used to basically spam SB. Cleave? Wasn’t even a thing in BFA. CC? Except the occasional seduction/fear, or banish for elementals, that was a work mostly done by other classes. And we had no short ccs: currently I have to spam shadowfury, interrupt, use mortal coil as an interrupt, etc, just to keep my tank alive in M+.

Now tell me honestly, other than very rarely interrupting and managing your cd’s how often did you change your rotation in same spec on uldir/bd on same patch?

I change my specc or talents almost daily depending if I am playing M+, raid, pvp, etc. Plus, let’s face it, the difference in terms of rotation in those builds in Vanilla was almost negligible. A +% damage for x abilities, a -x casting time, etc. Not real mechanical changes. Maybe casting a conflag instead of a corruption here and there.

Once again I am not criticising your opinion, all I am saying that vanilla was not THAT bad, lot of bugs yes (none that made game unplayable or frustrated), but it was more free and fun. Sure nostalgia is there but hell, was a great game and more free. You can check some videos in youtube how many things players discovered before blizzard and how late took them to balance things.

I had an incredible time playing Vanilla, and yeah, we had more freedom. Me and a shadow priest friend used to go to blackrock mountain to target the main tanks of alliance guilds and throw them to the lava (mind control) just for funs. We could easily stay there a full afternoon just for the laughs and the outdoor pvp. And I understand missing that, but let’s face it: a lot of that is pure nostalgia. Simply playing the same game is not going to bring that back.

[Ñðçtùrñå-silvermoon]

3rd time: Never said playing vanilla in 2019 will be same enjoyable, I am just saying how much better was back then.

I see a small difference in our conversation. You sir trying to negate what I said with stand alone facts keep ignoring what already replied to you. What you say is your opinion, and I do respect that. But what I said is really what happened back then. Yes SB was main spell but you did not even followed what I said. I never said you play with same spec today in m+/pvp. Vanilla had no casting time, and sb was 2.5 sec cast.

I change my specc or talents almost daily depending if I am playing M+, raid, pvp, etc

Again you ignored what I said: You play same almost rotation on each raidboss. You have almost same rotation on each m+.
In Vanilla there are bossfights that sb is waste of dps (2xemperors, bug trio), bossfights we had to spam searing pain to help the tanks (rezuvios, sartura, harvester) spam drain life to survive (fearlina, heigan, loatheb), WE WERE OFFTANKS IN 4xHOURSEMEN AND 2xEMPERORS.

If you enjoy more cataclysm,incinerate,immolate,havoc, chaosbot rain of fire OR Hog, dogs, implosion, tyrant , demon bolt, on each boss on BOD that is ok, I understand. But don’t tell me I was just spamming sb in vanilla to progress on these bosses - no I didn’t! Neither the world first guilds to kill them.

Before this turn into chicken fight I ll tell you this for last. If your guild locks progressed through naxxramas and AQ with spamming SB that is fine. If you did not even try to play affliction or you had bad healer to support it that is fine too.
If you never heard of “Drain tanks” and how important were back then to win AB and warsong that is so fine. I can understand why you believe that. But Don’t try to deny true facts. But most locks in my server did, most famous guild worldwide did, most pvpers did, and those ppl were world first to progress. If you never progressed naxx or AQ40 (imo it looks you never did) please, before you disagree with me again make some research.

Please don’t try to bring your negative attitude and change people minds that are reading these forums. Friendly always talking, we should give classic a chance.

Edit: BfA is not poorly designed. Videos, music, lore, quests improved grapgics, improved models, 10 dungeons with rp, profession quests, 8 allied races, IE, Warfronts, brawls etc. It took too much effort from developers to revive wow in less than 2 years. It might be bad balanced but that was always a problem. Please dont act like spoiled child if you want future expansions