Kalibas has struck again with his weird Nightelf obsession.
Nightelves don’t belong in Suramar. Not even a bit.
It would fit more if the Alliance conquered Quel’thalas and the Nightelves lived there with the Void and Highelves, while the Bloodelves got a part of Suramar…
10000 years of different culture are not that easily fixed, look at germany, there was only ~40 years of seperation, and the culture and mentality are really different between east and west-germany even 20 years after the reunion.
Night Elves shouldn’t life with other kind of elves. They should only life under second to none and Gilnean. And change your skin. You can’t call yourself Demon Hunter with such a pale skin!
And your reasoning for this? You have to spell it out. It is one thing to say night elves shouldn’t be in SUramar, but to say they don’t belong there - so they belong in trees and ruins right?
I lol'd
Hey everybody, the city we built and lived in for thousands of years, that we thought destroyed when we tried to save it, returns, but because it is actually a city, we don’t belong there. I guess we don’t belong in Darnassus, or Stormwind or any city. Or maybe it’s just because it’s Suramar and its pretty, and you can’t associate night elves with pretty or magnificent. … And I’m weird.
ANd your basis for this is what? Because blood elves are friendly with the night elf sub-group in Suramar?
That entirely depends on the situation, the circumstances, the type and character of the people involved. May I remind you we are talking about Night elves, not human beings, they have not your ordinary mortal.
Today’s Nightelf-culture is not like it was 10000 years ago, they are Druidic, close to nature with a strong Elune-Priesthood and a few Arcane-users at the fringes of society.
Suramar is a City built at the Hight of the Empire, Arcane magic is used for everythig, from Nourishment to cleaning the streets. The people of Suramar are changed, they are not Nightelves anymore. Only because they are purple, doesn’t mean they are closer to Nightelven culture, than Bloodelves or even Naga.
All of them descend from Nightelves, all of them changed a lot.
Let me guess this right, because Suramar, (that was built with a combination of arcane and nature magic), was built during the pre-sundering civlization, night elves don’t belong there?
Or becasue arcane magic is used for many things by the nightborne, therefore night elves can’t live in the city, cos if they live there… they can’t use their hands or whatever magic whatever order they subscribe to uses to do those things?
So because the people of Suramar have changed in appearance a bit (but are still kaldorei cultured), because of this, night elves don’t belong in the city?
So— basically night elves don’t belong anywhere that no other race, or any non-druidic person lives. They only belong in places that fit the druid theme and that druids love to live in? right.
So night elves can’t live in any city or any of their cities, they just don’t belong there.
So all night elves are druidic, and only the fringes are arcane users and Elune priesthood… where is this evidence?
I said “strong Elune Priesthood” so the priests are not on the fringes of Society.
But when Maiev kills a few mages just because she doesn’t like them, and gets no punishment at all, we can reach the conclusion that the bulk of Nightelves doesn’t like Mages / Arcane users.
They are Shaldorei cultured, have a changed language, society and changed appearance. The ones we interact with don’t revere elune, or the wild gods.
They have not much in common with the Nightelves anymore.
But discussing this with you seems useless at this point.
Oh really? You mean Maiev who is shown in Wolfheart and Illidan to be isolated in her view of mages?
No offense Aethil, but I think the reason why people get night elves wrong is because they assume these things. It’s not entirely their fault. Information is spread across several media, so if you don’t read a long novel, and only listen to the audio book you may think a lot of night elves think like Maiev did.
They don’t. She is quite the exception and radical in her views on this.
And you still didn’t answer my questions.
Shaldorei culture is kaldorei pre-sundering culture. Unchanged. The quests tell you the nightborne have preserved the kaldorei culture pristinely over the millennia. PRISTINELY is the term used. this means perfectly. Makes sense, they are highly intelligent night elves in a bubble. Love their traditions.
Only their physical apperance has changed, due to consuming magic to nourish themselves.
Indeed, kaldorei pre-sundering culture around the first invason - which is what the nightborne show you, had druidsm are thing of the past, and while the priesthood was around, the arcane was the main focus. Amongst many highborne in that era, there was none to little attention paid to Elune - arcane is their thing not elune.
With the priesthood in Suramar gone off to topple Azshara, and the highborne leading those who stayed, the highborne led tradition continues. However note how the many shrines to Elune are still very much well kept and have offerings on them. The ones in the non-elite side oof the city.
Oh, you mean they don’t have much in common with the long vigil culture of the darnassian night elves… what about the shen’dralar night elves? or the Demon hunter night elves? what about the Farondis night elves? or the Moonguard night elves?
And further more, why do they have to have similar culture for night elves to be belong in thier own city.
And do you think night elf culture is one culture only? Do you think the Darnassian night elves are only and forever the long vigil druidic culture? Did you not notice their culture has significantly changed since the long vigil ended? Are you going to ignore that there are different night elf groups and they are all evolving in many ways?
Because I reaspond to you and I challenge what you say? I am not trying to be mean, bor argue for argument sake, but your statemnts don’t fit or explain the things I’ve just pointed out.
I have thought about night elves extensively and looked at their lore. They are not a straightforward race, and they have a lot of information hidden behind other media. This has led a lot of people to misunderstand them, because they interpret night elves only under the lens of what they remember from WOW classic/TBC/WOtLK in-game data, which is a fraction of the lore on night elves.
Wow Classic/TBC and WOtLK hardly showed the full extent of the night elves as race. They focused on a part of the main group and an angle of the race. The books, WC3, the lore, and subsequent novels, in game speech text, interviews all paint a far broader image.
If you think night elves are forest elves, you’ve missed over half of their identity. and it also means you ignore all the night elf lore they’ve shown you that is not druidic - this includes, highborne, nightborne, wardens, demon hunters, sentinels, priestesses of Elune, Moonguard, Farondis, Ravencrests - this is a lot of groups here.
The lore tells you things the game doesn’t always show, or takes time to get too. It’s like those before TBC SWP thinking high elves were all about mages because of the early TBC presentation… but now, because blizzard has revamped their holy light sight and it is in focus, people now think they are more paladin than mage - as if the mage part has disappeared because it is not the focus atm. They forget warcraft 2 where high elf priests were just as renowed as mages, and when you thought of the best priests or mages you thought of the high elf.
The lore has shown and told aobut the importance and significance of various parts of the night elves as a race. The lore they have, its relevance in the past and today, you are better off taking it at face value and remembering it fully when you consider the night elves, and not just reduce them to what you see in the level 1-20 starting area + the Cenarian expedition and D.E.H.T.A in TBC/WotLK which are druid not night elf entities.
If you played WC3, you would probably think of night elves as female warrior priest, druid would be a secondary or tertiary background thing.
If your introduction to wow was Legion, you would not think of night elves as forest evles, but you would think of them as mixed group, with arcane, demon hunting, female warrior wardens, druids and priests, you would see the full extent of their pre-sundering majesty in Suramar and the full extent of their Long vigil mastery in Val’sharah, you would see the ruins of their great civilization in Azsuna and you would see the current state of their varying groups.
I think it would actually be cool if they made Feathermoon Stronghold and Dire Maul into a new Night Elf Capital in order to show how the remaining Highborne have returned the favour for the Night Elves eventually forgiving them for what they did. Their capital in Feralas combining their reclaimed isolationist ferocity with their newfound need to find a way to counter the Elves of the Horde.
It could also link into some interesting lore involving the Ogres of Feralas being pushed back by the Night Elves and the Highborne and being forced to band together.
I think they will build it pretty much around moonglade, since it’s fairly close to Nordrassil(Hyjal) which are the last remaining World tree with the dragonflights blessings upon it.
But if i were to be honest I think the next Night elf capital will end up on some part of the new landmasses we will see in a eventuall expansion. If the C’thulu mythos really is the base of things to come, not only will N’zoths prison rise to the surface but multiple parts of the landmass which have been sunk will follow with it.
Like the broken isles was in 7.0? Maybe they already got their new landmass and their new capital. They already knew they were going to destroy their home when they were designing Suramar and the Broken isles. Now the nightborne have gone horde, no one will suspect that the new night elf home will be there.
Most of us including me are thinking Gilneas, Duskwood , Stormwind or Hinterlands, but blizzard loves disguising their intentions and so far none of the YouTubers have picked up on it
Honestly? I just want them to update the Moonglade of Mount Hyjal and make that the new Kaldorei Capital.
Kick the Green Dragons, Wild-Gods and Tauren Druids out. They have proven to be of zero use to the Kaldorei as a whole and don’t deserve to make their home in the old Kaldorei capital.
When thats done, they can get to work to updating Nighthaven;
The Shrine of Remulos; Make this an area where the Druids tirelessly tend to the newly grown Dryads, under the watchfull eyes of Keepers of the Grove. Make a small den for the Druids of the Branch to train and tend to the ancients and Dryads.
Nighthaven
Eastern part: Make this a small Highborne-area populated with Archmage Mordent Evenshade and his Highborne, alongside their Kaldorei apprentices. Make the part furthest away from the city a small “palace” akin to Farondis Palace in Azsuna. There Mordent Evenshade and his Lorekeepers work tirelessly to train a new generation of Kaldorei Magi. in this small area, the buildings would be made in the image of the ancient Empire, with stone instead of wood.
Southern-part: Make this the new Military District. Add squads of Watchers, Wardens, Sentinels and Moonclaws. Add 2 Hunter Halls and a Barrow Den for the Watchers. Maiev and Jarod Shadowsong, alongside Sentinel-General Shandris Feathermoon would oversee the training of new troops in this area.
Western part: Make this the new Trade district. Add vendors for everything here. Perhaps add a small Furbolg Den into the mountain for the ambassador/leader of Timbermaw Hold.
Northern part: Make this the Harbor area. Make the Kaldorei, alongside the help of the Furbolgs of Timbermaw Hold and the Worgens of Gilneans carve a pathway through the Mountains into a small harbor area. Place some Mariners in the Harbor and the pathway as guards. Put in some Kaldorei ships and Tortollans, Jinyu, Vrykul traders. This area would also be guarded by the Druids of the Fin.
South of Lake Elune’ara: This would be the building site of a new, improved, Temple of Elune. The statue in the Middle of the Temple would be a statue to High-Priestess Tyrande Whisperwind and the Temple and its grounds would act as home to the Druids of the Moon and the Moon-Priestessess. This would also be the area where Malfurion and Tyrande would make their home and invite over guests.
The Stormrage Barrow Dens: The new Druidic-area of the city. I would perhaps add 2 or 3 Great Tree’s around the Barrow Dens and add different Barrow Dens for the Druids of the Claw, Ashen, Talon, etc.
Very cool ideas though I doubt that statue of Tyrande would be good idea. First of all , Tyrande is not Varian and Kaldorei are not humans to build her statue in the hour of their need. Furthermoore , in WotA books we are told that Kaldorei did build monuments of the late High Priestesses… however Dejahna is not mentioned to have one.
And the statue in Darnasuss was of Haidene. The first priestess , not of Dejahna so I guess she would immortalized in the new temple as well.
Ofcourse this would be after the War has been won by the Alliance! And I would see it more as a “honour” thing to Tyrande, for she dared to undertake the most dangerous ritual known to the Kaldorei to avenge her people!
you think someone will win this war?
Everytime the Horde starts winning blizzard makes our leader a villain and starts a rebellion.
Everytime the alliance starts winning a villian (or cconscience) stops it from really winning the war.
so dream on
Tryande is also extremely guilty because of abandoning her people when Teldrassil burned. I don’t think a statue of her being erected would be tasteful in her eyes when she’s trying to atone rather than be worshipped as she was before.
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