is there no ilvl req or something?
better take 30min deserter instead of wasting 1 hour in Old kingdom
There IS an ilvl req, and that is exactly the problem. Because pvp gear is easier to obtain to get to a certan itemlevel (although it’s not really useful for PvE). Also, Gems ans enchants are not counting for Ilvl.
A lot of these are bots. If they dont respond to chat with them, and only spam 1 ability (like druid only spamming wrath, or a mage spamming frostbolt), just vote to kick them.
That reminds me how a certain someone I will not mention argued on this forum that there will absolutely not be any bots in RDF. I barely did any and I met 4.
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I’m usually in favour of giving everyone a chance. But a couple of days ago I just had to leave before even trying. Was grouped up with a 3.8k gs holy paladin with weird gear choices in AN Gamma and just thought to myself “no, not happening”.
Using certain PvP pieces on a fresh alt is fine, but then you need to make up for it in other ways, such as putting some gems and enchants into it. Wrathful PvP gear at 264 ilvl is still a decent upgrade from most entry-level items anyway.
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Pvp gear allows you to beat the requirement by a mile, but that 232 PvP gear has less PVE value than the ilvl200/213 PVE equivalent. The gearscore addon is the reason people do this, because pvp gear gives you a high gearscore, lower ilvl PVE gear is better but doesn’t give the gearscore.
I mean, not necessarily.
Look at these caster items for example:
Definitely not terrible to start out with if you compare it to one of the fire mage P1 BiS rings (ilvl 213):
Without simming and looking at the stats only, I’d pick both S3/S4 PvP rings before the 213 PvE ring on a fire mage, for example.
Trinkets can also be useful. Take this one:
On-use effect is obviously pretty terrible for PvE, but 150 raw spell power is not too shabby when starting out fresh at 80.
And besides all of that, if you’re tanking, a few PvP pieces can lower your def cap, which also helps getting started. Considering how people do dungeons these days, you might also wanna get a few pieces with hit on a tank (which PvP gear can offer) since your job as a tank is not only to survive, but keep threat from the 5.8k gs pumpers.
You can absolutely use a few pieces from PvP and be successful if you also use your brain and think.
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the 213 ring sim higher then 245 pvp, and trinket is worse then blue
By just a comparison on my alt warrior, the 245 pvp trinket (crit or ap) is worse than ilvl 164 trinket from Sunwell in TBC, it’s that bad. You’re underestimating how valuable the proc/on-use effects are, the pvp trinkets are really bad in PVE.
I didn’t compare any 264 items either, I was talking about 232 pvp bits a lot of people are equipping, which if I compared Furious Gladiator chest it’s comparable dps to Hard Khorium Battleplate, a lvl70 crafted chest. The ilvl270/264 Wrathful stuff is decent, but you have to understand it’s still behind PVE gear by something like 40 ilvl.
4k? I saw 2-3k ppl aswell
But whathewer really they are not that hard. Just run FOS/POS/HOR only and k.
Fair enough. Though I don’t know the exact settings when you simmed. Atleast in theory, a freshly dinged damage dealer might not be hit capped, etc. So on the top of my head, getting the hit cap, or atleast getting closer to it, can never be a bad thing. Speaking about the hit ring, that is. That’s why my gut feeling tells me that the hit would be more handy than for example spirit or haste for a lot of specs.
Also, fair. Sunwell BiS gear is really well itemized. I used majority of Sunwell gear myself during the very first reset(s) of Naxx last year. But with that said, you can’t expect the vast majority of people to have Sunwell BiS gear lying around the moment they hit max level these days. A more fair comparison would be a Northrend quest reward, or at best, an entry level blue dungeon trinket.
What I’m trying to say is. Are there slightly better itemized starting options somewhere in the game, regardless of availability? Most likely, yes. Does mixing in a few easy-to-obtain PvP pieces automatically make you a burden to any random group, regardless of personal skill? Absolutely not, in my opinion. If you equip the gear with a bit of thought.
During Alphas, I succesfully tanked and dps’ed a lot on alts wearing mostly PvP gear. My DK tank breezed through in a timely manner, and my warlock topped dps several times. At that time, you wore Hateful and Deadly at best. Unless something changed drastically with the scaling, I reckon you’d atleast be able to pull your weight with todays equivalent (Relentless/Wrathful). Of course you won’t pull ICC or ToC PvE numbers, but that really is not needed either when doing catch-up dungeon content. Assuming you know your way around your class and the different dungeons. But to be fair, if you don’t you’re gonna struggle either way, regardless of what gear you’re wearing.
Here one of that people… I am from thekal, long time ago doing bg was the only way to get gear. I did my best, I cannot raid. I know would be fantastic do gammas in short time, but I do my best dont be rude with all players
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