Grinding in classic meant working towards a quarenteed reward. Wether it was a piece of gear to craft, a recipe or a mount. Grinding in retail has to be done because you need your essences and AP up2date if you wanna do anything endgame. We are grinding for the wrong reasons. Also grinding for paragon boxes or socketed benthic gear doesn’t quarentee anything it’s RNG.
Classic is a grind with an end where retail is a grind that will never end. Great you neck is now max IL! We increased it to 90 now! GRIND EVEN MORE AP!
Also grinding in classic can be done 24/7 where it’s daily gated in retail… Seeing how much items the Thorium Brotherhood required for example it’s a perfect example. Yes it took alot of time/gold/effort. But once you were exalted you got your recipes.
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Only because there’s nothing else after Nax.
And in Classic if you raid in a guild you won’t be competing with every other member for that piece of gear you need, you’ll most likely be competing with ~a hanful of other players and even if you’re extraordinarily unlocky and everyone you’re competing with get the item you want before you, you’ll be competing with one less person after each reset.
New… raids?
Are you talking about classic still?
What you see is what you get, unless you’re thinking it’ll become TBC in a “new raid”
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And that’s okay. It’s okay for a game to have an end. All good things eventually come to an end, so enjoy the good moments while they last and don’t just focus on getting them over with only to sit around regretting that you didn’t make the most of it.
That’s what I loved about ML aswell, the good old ML. Guilds looked out for each other. Sure you didn’t get it this raid but hey we only have 2 hunters so the next drop is yours! Right now with enforced PL it can never drop for you and your friend/guildie keeps looting a new one every reset but 5 ILs higher every time so it’s BoP and he can’t trade it.
Worst case and ultimate troll example, but yes this is possible with PL.
Aside from this a BiS item was BiS no random sockets or forging. MC stayed MC gear, now even if you get full mythic raid gear 1 patch later it’s equal to normal mode of the new raid and useless again because world content drops are now as strong as your mythic raiding gear. Many people have given up on gearing during Legion and BfA till the last raid tier or patch.
Imagine coming back and being in full mythic Uldir gear because you quit for a raid/tier break, people will laugh at you. They didn’t make gear inrelevant in classic like they do now in retail. Mythic dungeons started at 340 base and is now 400 after 2 new tiers. Next tier this is 430 so unless you raid mythic EP, why bother? This is the mindset of many players.
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No, they are not. Unless you mistaken “classic” with “retail”.
The ilvl spectrum in classic is 30ilvl. That’s it. Sure, new raid tier can posses some sweet actives in them and slightly better stats for your class - but previous gear is as strong as it was before.
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That’s what people love about classic, not just WoW, but classic of ANY game.
You went out
You had the eye of the tiger
You sacrificed time, effort, and even the stars above lined up to bless your lil’ toon.
And it stays relevant. You can take a break and come back and you’ll still be as powerful in the same tier you left on.
Also, another thing. Old raids weren’t just made irrelevant when a new raid came out. Blizzard didn’t throw a bunch of welfare gear at you to get you into the latest content. If you started playing when Naxx was current, you can be sure you’re still gonna be going through the old raids before you set foot in Naxx.
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But then progression stops and the game becomes stale.
Retail has onwards progression which keeps it going
Also legendaries and essence stay the entire expac, gear has to keep changing to keep stuff relevant. You’ll see when classic becomes content starves that players have nothing to play for other than world pvp.
But this is what some people here don’t seem to get. It doesn’t need to keep going for all eternity. Retail will also eventually come to an end. It is okay for a game to have an end-point.
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I mean, there is no end point, when classic ‘ended’, blizz released TBC. Are you suggesting that they just leave classic there so people can see their maxed out bis gear? I mean, I guess for some people they want an end point like that but i mean its kinda pointless having gear if there’s nothing to do with it. At least with retail there’s 1000’s of transmogs to farm and stuff and things to collect, what is there to do at the end of classic? this argument ironically works in retails favor since there’s more to do at endgame
That’s more to do with power inflation though and player expectation.
Vanilla the stats were low due to the ilevel so each ilevel jump meant less power so it’s possible to have a lower level item more powerful with stats aren’t balanced well.
In Legion and some part of BfA there were some items, Arcano Crystal, for example, due to secondary stat tuning made some prior tier stuff better and players went nuts. Players (now) want the last tier to be obsolete when compared with the previous tier.
What was wrong with: tier 1 mythic = tier 2 HC = tier 3 normal. With this 30 Il jump every tier even if you raid mythic your egar is instantly useless. With just tops a 13 or 15 for those who started later it meant you didn’t had to farm the new HC tier, you would already have the IL and thus could more or less jump into the new mythic immetdiatly.
I know
I didn’t say classic is the Ultimate Good. You have stated its flaw.
But at this point, people want a firm ground to stand on. Something they know stays relevant.
It’d be like if some alien came and wiped out all your memories, telling you that you don’t need that old stuff and to start off as a new person. People like something to remember and revisit because it gives a sense of immortality.
There needs to be a mix and at this very moment, retail just does away with almost everything.
So what if legendaries and essences stay a little longer, you know they’re going to die still, 2 years is nothing. “Entire expac” isn’t the get out of jail card for this.
Uh I don’t understand this argument, vanilla gear was also useless when TBC was released? We have yet to know whether blizz are going to keep adding content to classic or re release TBC and other expacs. I can’t justify them just leaving the game in a stale state given how much ti costs to maintain
What’s wrong with enjoying the journey to the end and then moving on with your life? Are you saying that all singleplayer RPGs are pointless because once you have completed the game there is nothing else to do?
Thats a selfish mindset tbh, what about the people who want to keep playing? And what about blizzard? They need to justify the costs of running the game/servers still
Honestly if this is what all classic fans have as their main argument, maybe a private server would be better for you, because I can almost guarantee they’re going to either add content for classic at the end or jsut re release TBC, i’d be very surprised if they just left classic as it is to eventually die off
There is nothing wrong with an end, there was no need to forging on gear or paragon boxes. Allow us to be done with stuff, “great you’re exalted now so buy your stuff and we never have to see you again!” > “Keep grinding that paragon for that RNG mount/toy/pet/recipe!”. So you’re saying we are selfish when we just want an end, that whenever you loot that piece it can only come in 1 flavour (so no RNG sockets or forging)?
Haha! What are you talking about.
Nothing lasts forever. That is something we all have to come to terms with sooner or later, neither will retail and when the retail servers eventually close down (and they will), what then? How are you gonna justify all those thousands of hours you spent grinding out transmogs and achievements?
It doesn’t cost a lot for Activision Blizzard at all, they can afford it. That’s why they went with fairly small servers and a limited amount of them, because they expect the playerbase to shrink eventually.
Probably not gonna happen, but we’ll have to wait and see.
Edit: Also, you seem to forget that vanilla private servers have existed and been able to sustain themselves since 2007. If some small group of dudes are able to keep their private servers running in their basements for years on end, how can you possibly think it will be an issue for a multi-billion dollar corporation like Activision Blizzard?