It’s near years eve , i’ve got 3 weeks free and here i am pondering of which other game to play.
last week i’ve pushed from ilvl 167 to 193, by next week i should exceed ilvl 200, but i have 0 incentive of investing that time since m+ is capped at ilvl 210 and warforge/titanforge was removed. Titanforge was a great help to casuals to boost ilvl to challenge higher content, it helped in raids , it helped in m+ . Now if you have over ilvl 200 in all slots doing anything that rewards items with a lower ilvl is POINTLESS .
Basically in a few weeks i would need to force myself in to finding a guild in order to get any gear and i can’t commit to a guild when i have a job and i can’t just raid 3-4 hours and go to sleep late, and some times i’m too tired to even want to raid.
Mythic + was the holy grail it took up to a hour most of the time and i had a chance of getting a upgrade, i don’t like pvp so i will have nothing to do.
Maybe i’ve just outgrown World of Warcraft but i can’t commit to a game that won’t be rewarding in a few weeks.
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The point is to do stuff you enjoy and get rewards along the way.
If its all reward and no fun for you then go find a new game.
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Fun to do with guildies and friends. And you might get loot.
Can be fun with the right people.
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my problem is that while m+ is fun, i’m gonna be forced to raid in order to progress my char to do the fun content .
It feels like we’re back in Warlords of Draenor where we didn’t have anything to do aside from raiding (or pvp for the guys who like to do that), back then m+ didn’t exist and you have timed runs with the same ilvl.
To everyone saying that i should have fun with friends, yeah that’s any multiplayer game .
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We need titan forging back
no we dont, becuse it was bad, realy bad to have, titanforging literaly destroyed the fun in getting items from raids, due to the fact you probably had better items from M+, than the raid provided, and it sucked realy badly, and realy gave no reason to do raids at all.
Wrong. HC Raid still had unique items. Mythic Raid had in general better loot than m+ because the items were already high on base level.
If you want the experience of explaining tactics 5+ times then wipe for the 8th time on the same boss to the same tactic & leave feeling like you wasted your time
Id rather have nothing to do in wow than see any more of PROC FORGE MECHANIC xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx that xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ruined wof for me.
yes that is true, raids do and still have unique items, but the fact still remains, many raid items did come redundant due to titanforged items
i like the new gear system. so tired of everything gives gear and its just crap gear that you sell or de BUT m+ needs to be tweaked or give badges, like valor points in lich king, so you have some kind of path to gear. same goes for raids i think. otherwise im happy with new system and to acually care what items i get.
I have never been as apathetic in the game towards gear as when Titanforging was a thing
The moment literally anything could become an upgrade even if it had bad stats was the moment where getting gear and building your character lost all its complexity because it went from focussing on items that are better for you then for others to just farm until something procs and equip whatever procs
I would rather not play the game then have that stuff back
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I’m very happy that titanforging is gone, but it is absolutely ridiculous that +15 awards below heroic raid ilvl. And on top of that the group only gets 2 items, 1 if you don’t time the key.
It’s never felt more demoralizing to continue the run after seeing that the key is obviously not getting timed. Right now, it feels more productive to just call it quits and start a new group instead of crawling through broken glass to dig 35 anima out of the chest.
I think it’s pretty obvious right now that Blizzard wants to go back to the “raid or unsub” model, where raiding is the only viable source of gear where if you don’t wanna commit to raiding and play your video game on a schedule then you can unsub and go do something else.
As much as i love M+, it would be less insulting if they just stopped beating around the bush and outright removed M+ from the game since they obviously don’t want it to be a viable, rewarding playstyle.
Last week i ran Halls of Atonement 12 times on my druid in the hopes of getting the staff and what did i get? The same leather gloves i already had a higher ilvl version of, twice. The other 10 runs gave me 35 anima each. 12 M+ runs for absolutely nothing. That right there made me never wanna touch M+ again until some changes are made.
You can get a guaranteed mythic-raid ilvl item for completing a single 5-people dungeon not even in time.
To get the same guaranteed loot doing raid you need to kill three bosses in mythic.
It is ridiculous indeed, but in favour of mythic+.
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Using this argument and stating that M+ is in fact rewarding because once per reset you can maybe get something you want is just dumb. You’re just proving my point. There is no reason to go hard on M+ or have it be your primary end game content because you get everything you need from it by knocking out one +15 per week. There is no reason to do it again after that.
I want M+ to be a rewarding activity, not something you do once per week on the side.
The fact that they nerfed the item level to below heroic raid level and also nerfed the amount of items you get has made it so that M+ is no longer the repeatable, viable end game activity that it used to be since the only worthwhile reward you get is from the weekly chest. You’re also most likely only gonna get one or two choices from the vault since who the hell is gonna be pounding out over 10 +15’s a week? Screw that.
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Why do you have to raid to progress your character?I know hc raid gives highr loot than M+ but the vault gives equal gear to Mythic raiding.So in lets say 3 months you will be fully decked.I personally don’t have much time for raiding and will do it with my guild’s casual team once a week.And i am perfectly fine with that.If we didn’t have such group i wouldn’t raid at all.Why should i have to raid if i won’t do Mythic raiding?
So i don’t see the problem OP.Raiding is optional not mendatory.
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What? For days now i take no loot at all. What reward? The reward system is the worst system ever made. Check how many topics are for this issue. I am farming the trinket from DOS for days now and I take no loot AT ALL!!!
Same goes with me.
I cant raid cause i work in shifts so i miss half raids my guild does.
I guess this isnt the game for us, since we can’t get gear from M+. I farm M+ for days without any upgrade. I am even stucked with the same trinket i bought from AH cause i get no trinket drops AT ALL FOR FAK SAKE