I try my best really. It became hard to defend the Horde after Bfa.
And Vanilla, and The Burning Crusade, and Mists of Pandaria, and Warlords of Draenor, Legion, Battle for Azeroth, and Shadowlands.
Vanilla: The story is about the Horde invading Alliance lands, claiming Alliance lands, and why it is actually a good thing!
The Burning Crusade: The Story of blood elves joining the Horde, their redemption, and getting their Well back and the Orcs reconnecting with their heritage. The draenei serve as a side show.
Wrath of the Lich King: The story of humanity getting blamed for the Scourge, while Nerâzhul (an orc) was the OG Lich King. Also a historically Alliance nation is turned friendly towards the Horde, and one of the OG Knights of the Silver Hand is turned friendly towards the Horde too.
Cataclysm: The story is about the Horde invading Alliance lands, claiming Alliance lands, and why it is actually a good thing!
Mists of Pandaria: the story is about the Horde invading neutral lands, claiming it, and why it is actually a good thing.
Warlords of Draenor: The Story about the orcs reconnecting with their heritage, recruiting future allies. The Draenei serve as a sideshow to be killed by orcs. Also another Grom âredemptionâ.
Legion: The Story of nightborne elves, and Highmountain tauren, getting close with the Horde, their redemption, and in case of the Nightborne, getting cured of their Well. The Gilneans are âevilâ because they dislike the Forsaken for conquering their homeland.
Battle for Azeroth: The story is about the Horde invading Alliance lands, claiming Alliance lands, and why it is actually a good thing!
Shadowlands: the story is about the an orc reconnecting with his heritage. Also a Forsaken warchief getting her redemption from her evil deeds. Weâre also cleaning up the mess caused by Nerâzhul.
Dragonflight: One of the stories is how a Horde leader is turned into the Aspect of the Black Dragonflight. The Tauren get to infringe on the lands close to the new night elf capital. Also night elves are taught a lesson on forgiving the Horde for genociding them.
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I⌠what?
If this is a case to continue your play-fighting with Erevien, then sure. But⌠isnât this a bit disengenous on a lot of these claims? Like⌠pretty sure the Alliance had a lot of really cool stories from these too?
I just felt like I had to ask because you even made some of the cool moments the Alliance had feel awful and boring in comparison. Which isnât⌠the case at all? Iâm playing both factions actively and whilst both have had the cajones kicked out of them story wise, I canât subscribe to the idea that one side has total victory over the other.
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This problem is in other fandoms too if youre against the majority opinions there will be angry comments about it always. that thing hasnt changed for last 20 years at all
Yeah, Erevien actively dislikes and mocks us for going against the majority opinion!
56% of warcraft players play Horde.
44% of warcraft players play Alliance.
No sir, I am deadly serious.
All âcoolâ Alliance moments are ruined, or later retconned or downplayed, in favour of the Horde.
Alliance finally reconnects with the Thalassian elves? Woops, weâre enemies now and theyâre besties with the undead that destroyed their kingdom and the orcs that burned their nation 
Alliance gets the Kingdom of Dalaran back, since the Kirin Tor were actively fighting the Horde⌠but wait no theyâre neutral! And after the Purge, like a couple months after, they were neutral again. So the Horde won twice.
Alliance has a cool human nation on Kalimdor? Woops not anymore, lol. Hereâs more orcs on the Eastern Kingdoms however!
Alliance leadership get to end a Warchief that brought so much ruin? Think again, Thrall ends up killing him, after he had the Horde march through and destroy one of the oldest Alliance fortresses in the southern Eastern Kingdom.
The Alliance lost their Wild Gods and Well of Eternity to neutrality, while the Horde got to keep their Loa and Sunwell.
The Aspect of the Black Dragonflight is a member of the Hordeâs Highmountain tribe.
Remember when the Alliance âwonâ the Battles for Darkshore and Arathi Highlands.
Darkshore is merely âpatrolledâ by the night elves, the Shatterspear tribe actually lives in the zone and the former night elven Circle of Ancients is now neutral.
The Kingdom of Stromgarde lost a large swath off their lands to magâhar colonists that are not beholden to the King⌠you know after the Horde had to leave the nation after the âarmisticeâ.
The fact the Horde is the numerical, magical, and technological superpower now while the Alliance is the underdog, indermining the Hordeâs entire concept of banding together for survival!
All I see are Horde wins, almost every zone, in every expac, for any reason. I can go on for many more points if you want!
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Genuinely am curious what you consider is a win and a lose, so please feel free if it makes you feel better. Though I am unsure if this is better or giddily laughing at being tortured as it seems like.
But⌠why do you play Alliance if the Horde seems to have so much better âwinsâ if you are so inclined? Do you just enjoy feeling these so-called defeats? The anticipation that when a âwinâ comes, you feel such extreme gratification?
It boggles me.
This is where we diverge.
For example, I am a Night Elf/Void Elf/Blood Elf + Trolls and occassionally Draenei player (If I can, iâll play an Elf in any setting). And whilst I did feel for the fanbase when they lost Teldrassil, theyâve had pretty awesome moments where I was fanboying their redemption and recovery arcs, even going as far as defending their frequency and reveal in the story. I just find it difficult and honestly very questionable to be all 
about all the cool stuff they did since their personal hell.
But the divergence begins when certain fans want everything in one plate and arenât willing to bend for it, theyâd rather eat bitter lemons than actually enjoy the content as it develops. Which, again, was me - and apparently others - in other contexts. Mine was Shadowlands, hey-ho.
The points you describe here all belie the common fact: Alliance having no totality over anything, whilst you seem in the understanding that Horde HAS totality over everything in comparison.
Which isnât the case. Do you truly, honestly believe that Horde - and by extensions players who actively play both - are happy?
What are you expecting exactly for a âgoodâ story that favours the Alliance? Total supremacy over everything, painted blue, optionally Erevien quitting the game and the equal amounts of Horde players either quitting or being made to play Alliance?
Mind you, iâm only treating this response as earnest because of:
And how I vehemently disagree that the Alliance has had only âruinedâ moments.
EDIT: Additionally, a lot of these points once again blatantly ignore a lot of the Allianceâs positive achievements whilst also hyping the Hordeâs gains. Are you sure youâre not a Horde player at heart?
Because I can do the same, nonsense thing. Iâd rather not, however.
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The majority opinion is the alliance since they always get the most from the story.
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I frikkinâ love gnomes man. Best race ever.
Also, I also play night elf, blood elf, draenei, human, and troll.
They had such cool stories yeah.
Until retroactively Darkshore is Horde territory, Tyrandeâs power got taken away at the moment she was able to get revenge, and their new capital city allows Horde to enter!
Such as?
I know you like to lie, but majority of WoW players play Horde, which means Horde has the majority opinion.
Pretty sure this is bait. Why? I gave an example that you just responded to, and how that wasnât enough.
Better to ask you show me an example of yourself being amicable. You know, so I wonât be talking to a wall.
And you have not responded to my other statements. Please, be earnest or donât try at all. I have been in return, giving your statements a good think and re-read as I was responding.
Itâs quite rude not to be given the same liberty, you know.
Good on you. If itâs solely a race choice thing, I support it.
But you didnât really make it easy.
I am responding quickly in between stuff, am not at home!
Noted.
In earnest answer to your query however, a lot of it is actually outlined in this thread alone. Moltensageâs posts bear great examples of Alliance supremacy and victory. I draw the line beyond that however. I actually want to enjoy playing Horde as well as Alliance.
Whether that suddenly doesnât mean anything now, howeverâŚ
Players donât have power over the plot. Even if we are a bit more for PVE stuff in the end the whole lore is biased in favor of the blue team. Has been this way from the start.
Except it hasnât!
Thereâs a reason warcraftâs version of Jesus is a orc.
Developers have always preffered the Horde, they outright stated they preffer writing for the Hirde. Thats why they always get cool moments, meaningful story moments, away with any and all warcrimes, and powerful allies and the Alliance gets to be the afterthought.
Moses. And that was Cataclysm. Stop acting like he was forced in your face. We saw Anduin, Alleria and Jaina much more even if they arenât from our faction. Get a grip.
Of course it has.
Is that why the alliance wins every war and almost every named Horde NPC is dead or otherwise gone?
Source?
Alliance cool moment:
Horde cool moment:
Totally not biased folks we swear!
I donât remember Anduin, Alleria or Jaina playing a large role from Vanilla to now.
Anduin became relevant in MoP (he also got beat up by an orc).
Jaina in Cataclysm, with a lilâ side show in WotLKâs Dalaran (where she got run over by an orc).
Alleria in Legion, where she absorbed a Naaru (why dont the belves love her? Their paladins did the same!).
Unlike Thrall, who has been consistently relevant from vanilla (Dictator of the Horde) to Cataclysm (World-Shaman), to Shadowlands, to Now.
Oh yeah, thats why the Alliance âwinsâ (Arathi Highlands, Fenris Keep, Darkshore, Ashenvale, Gilneas, Belâameth) are at best neutral, but now usually just colonised by Horde colonists taking the resources and ignoring the rulers of the land.
Oh wait!
Thrall, Aggra, Geyaârah, Talanji, Baine, Mayla, Thalyssra, Lorâthemar, Rommath, Liadrin, Ebonhorn, Gazlowe et, al. are dead or gone???
I fail to see the âcoolâ moment in having to accept and forgive a traitor because she did a magic trick and how that is âcoolerâ than a grand and noble king fighting to the death for his people and their honour but bieng betrayed by one of his peopleâs gods???
Keep lying about how bad the Horde has it Erevien, itâs all you can do.
Not going to defend Erevien in any of this, butâŚ
In this same thread alone, there was a huge huge moment where the Alliance were written doing extremely good things that not only gave them cool moments, but also retaliated effectively against the Horde.
âŚActually, quite a few of it was used as ammunition against the Hordeâs claims here in this same thread. They were commonly cited as weak and unable to win a war. Do I have to go back and re-quote?
Which is it? Are the Alliance winning or losing? Also why havenât you clarified my queries yet? Are you still out of the house?
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Rastakhans death was pathetic. Jaina saved Kul Tiras. See the difference?
None of these are major characters.
Mh, sure Erevien, 7 nation leaders, including Thrall and some support characters like Liadrin and aggra arnt important-until something happens to them that you again cry minimi another important horde character get lost, mirr addictions of my list of (mayor) hirde characters lost whivh including nonames like Zaela, Bivan and the bloodelve from tge dragons ale expedition and sime characters prior to the modern horde.
All major characters of the Horde are dead my dude. You could count Thrall if you squint your eyes but fact to the matter is none of the original leaders are around anymore.
Rastakhan
Cairne
Volâjin
Sylvanas
Gallywix
Kaelâthas
Zulâjin
Zuluhed
Grommash
Saurfang
Dranosh
Kargath
Fenris
Tagar
Doomhammer
Blackhand
Zaela
Garrosh
Nazgrim
Krenna
Lathos
Bovan
Kilrogg
whoever the Laughing Skull leader was.
AU Durotan(Another one dying offscreen WTF)
and many many others.
Face the facts. Blizzard hates the Horde.
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