Apart from them quite literally receiving justice by the Alliance, you’re so right.
The Alliance had Garrosh trialled by the August Celestials at the end of Pandaria, and the Celestials revealed that they would have found him innocent. Whether you like it or not, that is justice. Next time, don’t put a settlement down at the doorstep of the enemy you’re actively in armed conflict with.
Tyrande decided Sylvanas’ fate at the end of Shadowlands by telling her to go retrieve every single soul wrongfully sent to the Maw and send them back to the new Artiber to be reassessed. She is actively serving out her prison sentence, decided by Tyrande directly. That is direct justice for her actions.
Meanwhile Jaina gets to crusade through Dalaran with the intention of killing every single Blood Elf for the reason of “some blood elves did bad, ergo all must be purged”, saunter through Dazar’alor and kill the king even though capturing him would’ve been enough, and gets to go home and live her life like nothing happened.
The horde joining forces with Talanji (not Zul because they did not trust him) happened after the alliance captured their princess and was out of desperation from the alliances actions. The horde was there for saurfang
The zandalari gave freeport to the ship their princess was on.
Why would they negotiate when the alliance is there shooting cannons at a member of their heir of the crown
The events of boralus happened after the alliance’s transgressions against the zandalari and the vulpera in voldun.
And like you said the only crime Rastakhan committed was trusting Zul.
I didn’t answer all of your points at first because i would just be repeating my self but there you go.
As for the pirate flag, funny how you expect the Zandalari to be diplomatic to ships attacking them, while justifying the Alliance sinking a ship that tried to get away from them. ‘Rules for thee but not for me’ as usual
And I repeat, the princess was traveling with a notorious criminal. Sinking the Alliance ships only reinforced the faction’s position that the Zandalari are a threat.
This makes him in a certain way responsible for the actions of his subject, to whom he gave free will to do and undo.
Doesn’t matter, it was no longer on their territory where they can decide how to deal with criminals like Zul, and they were willing to kill people who had nothing to do with Zul’s crimes.
Then Stormwind is responsible for the defias brotherhood
Absurd comparison. The Defias Brotherhood is a criminal group that emerged due to Onyxia’s manipulation of Stormwind’s nobility, operating against the Alliance itself, while Rastakhan gave Zul everything he wanted and let him act as he pleased.
Both of those events happened during actual war time.
The purge of Dalaran happened when Jaina found evidence that the sunreavers were aware of the horde theft of an artifact from the city. Due to breaking their neutrality and siding with the horde, she made the choice to ally Dalaran with the alliance (as the leader of the Kirin tor).
As for King Rastakan, this also happened during the Fourth war, and was a legit military target.
From the points you brought up, all actions taken from Jaina were during war time and to legitimate military assets. Why should she face any consequence for conducting military missions during wartime when she was not even the one that started the war.
Let’s not also forget the fact that while the celestials and Tyrande “forgave” the horde counterparts, the revolutionaries also pushed for peace without demanding reprimand for Jaina.
The difference is that the Defias Brotherhood did not cause a diplomatic incident with third factions, unlike Zul, who acted as a representative appointed by the King, when he started the Zandalari rebellion or resurrected Lei’shen.
more balls out.
By the way, the interaction of the Dark Irons with the Horde before joining the Alliance is practically non-existent.
So execute Zul for those crimes then. Instead Rastakhan had to do it for you.
Weird obsession, also not a counter argument
Yet it happened for longer and more frequent than anything zandalari related
Same thing with the manari eredar, but once again if they join the Alliance suddenly all crimes are forgotten
They have not been forgiven nor do they seek it and they call themselves “penitents”
If you’re going to point to a group of repentant Man’ari eredar, let’s talk about the crimes of the orcs, or how those loyal to Sylvanas are forgiven after the war.
There is the alliance and the horde battling in voldun and they offer to be the logistics of the horde in the middle of the battle, but how bad is the alliance for burning the caravans.
It is not the Draenei’s responsibility to have crashed on Draenor after being attacked by a dark naaru.
However, most of the Horde’s crimes were carried out by UNCORRUPTED orcs like Orgrimm Doomhammer or Garrosh.
Double standard is accusing the alliance of committing war crimes while you keep quiet about the Horde, who are far superior.
If we’re genuinely operating without bias then I think it is very fair to suggest that there are lasting grudges that deserve to be settled on both sides of the fence. It would have been much easier to do away with the faction war altogether if - and only if - certain characters had been held accountable for their more reprehensible actions.
It’d also fuel some interesting role-play to appeal to those of us who want a bit more grit and depth to the story than taking photographs of bees and bugs wearing silly hats.
It wasn’t just the caravans until blizz had to retcon it because it showed that the Alliance can infact do wrong.
It was their responsibility to get out of there asap, because they knew they had a target on their back. Yet they didn’t.
Orgrimm doomhammer was warchief of the old horde, and the frostwolves refused his call when he became a tyrant.
And with garrosh, like with Sylvanas the horde we play rebelled against.
And both had to face justice.
Not true, I never said the horde didn’t have bad apples. But those tend to die while those of the Alliance get to live. I’m calling you out because you’re the one acting like the Alliance members have never committed crimes
It’s retconned, so it didn’t happen. Blame Blizzard.
And how were they supposed to do it with their only ship crashed and inhabited by a dark naaru? Not to mention that the orcs didn’t allow anyone to approach the ship because “it was their sacred mountain.”
