Make a new one instead of building whole cities
Most of the Horde are bad apples, and those who try to do good, like Baine or Varok, are branded traitors by the Horde community.
Sylvanas is alive, as are the sunreavers and the loyalists.
Why should Jaina die when Sylvanas didnât?
The âpurgeâ of Dalaran is justified.
The ship was made by the Naaru.
Draenei at that time did not have the ability to manufacture Space ships. 
In the books they specify that they were trapped and that they trusted not to be found by the legion.
Who said anything about warcrimes?
I said war. Zandalari aided the horde, so they were attacked.
Thatâs perfectly fine in war.
Certainly in a made up fantasy war.
So what is the issue exactly?
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You haded into zandalari lands trying to kill the heir to the throne. The golden fleet had every right to attack.
He died too iN the end. You argument is BS. Blizzard had alliance bias.
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They didnât try very hard to find alternatives. They could also try to summon another naaru. Instead they waited until it was too late like Velen tends to do.
And tyrande decided sylvanasâ punishment. Which was getting all the lost souls out of the maw.
Riiight, that is why they went against their own warchief twice for doing bad things
Blaming an entire race for the actions of a few is never justified.
I think they should both have been executed a long time ago.
My issue is the bad and one sided logic used
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Do you think that Naaru are summoned like demons??? xD
They couldnât even escape when the orcs started the genocide.
you donât know where to go anymore.
The sunreavers arenât âthe entire raceâ. Is just a faction.
By people like Erevien?
Yes I agree.
Or are you suggesting that I am doing that?
If so: Please share one such example.
My logic is flawless. It is alliance fans who canât get past their stuck mindset where the alliance domiance hurts the lore.
You can summon anything else, why not the naaru?
Sure
None of those made sense, not only did they not know the war was happening, one side brought their princess back while the other was actively trying to kill her. Golly gee, I wonder why they didnât both get the same welcome.
Both you and Ăelenis are acting just as biased as Erevien, yet he was the only one being called out for it. I figured Iâd even things out a bit
How does that even matter?
From the viewpoint of the alliance; they are aiding the enemy. The ones who burned down one of their racesâ capital! So who cares if the Zandalari know or not; they are helping the enemy of the alliance and so the alliance retaliates.
That makes absolute sense from a war standpoint.
No Iâm not. Because Iâm NOT biased. I like horde and alliance both.
But nonsense is nonsense. And Erevien is absolutely full of nonsense.
You are focussing on the wrong things.
YOU are the one whoâs using âone sided logicâ.
Why would it matter to the alliance whether the zandalari know anything about the war? They are helping the enemy that just burned one of their capitals. Thatâs really all there is to it. You donât go and ask nicely: âOh excuse me sir, do you realize that youâre helping a faction that just burned a world tree? If so, could you kindly remove them from your city, so we can attack them?â
No. Thatâs ludicrous to expect. Especially in a game with simple themes like Warcraft.
No, it was not. There is no justification on either side for the deliberate targeting and murder of innocent civilians.
It is something fairly consistent in the narrative, in fact and portrayed as a shocking and gruesome affair on both sides of the fence whenever it happens.
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Yeah. Just like the burning of Teldrassil was.
Same thing, in essence.
That just means the Alliance leadership is incompetent for not expecting the two to ally after the Alliance forced them to do just that to survive.
You are two sides of the same coin, you only started saying it didnât wasnât that deep when you ran out of arguments. At least Erevien comes with some good points
You do realize that Horde pretty much exploited Zandalari for fight with alliance, right?
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No you donât, you are clearly defending the alliance and their actions.
TBH I rather had the alliance start a full siege of Orgrimmar again instead of making the Zandalari take the hit that was meant for the rest of the Horde since they were not involved in Teldrassil like all allied races.
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This is true as well, the Zandalari didnât join the horde until after Sylvanas promised to help get justice for Rastakhan. A promise she did not keep.
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Why? I really donât get your reasoning.
From their perspective:
- The Zandalari, a faction that has been openly hostile and has tried on numerous occassions to further some nefarious plans, are aiding and harbouring their current big enemy: The horde. The faction that just burned not just a capital, but a world tree.
It doesnât make them incompetent at all. Do you seriously not understand the flaws in your arguments?
I resent that. I am NOT like him. Not even a little bit.
Itâs the truth. WoW is simple. The stories ingame have never been deep.
But that doesnât even matter: Read what I said above again. Thereâs valid reasons why the alliance did what they did.
You know what makes YOU biased?
- The zandalari didnât know what the horde did, so itâs okay they helped them.
- The alliance didnât know the zandalari didnât know, so theyâre bad for doing what they did.
Complete and utter double standards.
If ignorance isnât an excuse, then itâs not an excuse for the zandalari either.
Because the naaru canât be summoned. Theyâre the ones who made contact with the Draenei.
The only ones who were killed were those who RESISTED.
Most of them were imprisoned, not killed.
Weâre talking about people who used Dalaran to sabotage Theramoreâs air defenses, resulting in the entire city being destroyed and a lot of civilians being killed, and then using the city again to infiltrate Dalaran in order to steal the Divine Bell.
Jainaâs actions were perfectly justified.
The crime was committed by the sunreavers for using a neutral city to commit misdeeds.
I havenât dedicated myself to making 24/7 absurd threads about âalliance/horde bias.â
The reality is that the four wars were started by the Horde without any justification, but we have Horde fanboys opening threads like this.
Or requesting that the alliance should be banned from entering Silvermoon.
The Horde community is full of edgy kids.
The actions of one blood elf and the PC it was. Not all Sunreavers. Not all Horde members inside Dalaran. She is a war criminal and should be punished the same way Garrosh was.
Yes because it has been a Horde city for 18 years and that shouldnât change. The alliance burned every bridge but still except the blood elves to be nice towards them after they harmed them multiple times. Filthy hypocrite.