When will we finally be able to avenge Rastakhan?

My arguments are based on the game’s own lore and the books. Yours, on the other hand, is as nonsensical as the “Draenei should have built a ship to escape from Draenor or summoned the Naaru”

They’ve even shown your double standards above.

In short: you’ve lost the argument.

Yet you deny the alliance crimes that happen within said lore.
I did not lose the argument, but I did lose time by talking to someone who is delusional and can only think in black and white

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You defend literally all criticism on the alliance here. I am not attacking anyone however I call out BLIZZARD for their double standards after killing dozens of our leaders without any payoff and get us forced to follow big alliance heroes around for 4 expansions in a row.

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Not having chosen the faction that has been the villains since WARCRAFT 1 :dracthyr_shrug:

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The few “crimes” the alliance may have committed have been in response to larger ones committed by the horde.

Even if that were true, do two wrongs make a right?

The Horde wasn’t advertized as villains in WOW by the Devs ever. They took the wrong turn and made us suffer for stuff we had no creative control over and then gave 100% of positive lore attention to the alliance. If you don’t see that yes than I will say that you are infact blinded by your own bias.

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That question has been answered.

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they initially planned to make the alliance PC burn the caravans but that was outsourced to NPCs instead so after the alliance community complained about it.

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Probably would have been better if they retained it for the players to do so, as the impact or understanding would have been more profound, but it is what is is.

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It is true, since, the horde is the one who started the 4 wars. and the alliance faced attempted genocide in each and every one of them.

In difficult times, extreme measures are called for. The alliance held back too much.

I still think Jaina should habe sunken durotar with the Focusing Iris and she was in right to do it.

After 4 wars the horde shouldn’t even exist.

If you’re going to talk about “crimes,” start by listing the crimes of the horde.

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Still the alliance gad suth that any reason ti nit tryst the zandalari-twice since their involvement in Mop- island if thunder were a large poration and zandalari champion were present.
Ok-it “was” a smal fraction vut gace tge alliance gid reason to be biased towards talsnji.

Well, it was a slave ship, was tve action questionable: yes bzt still it woked out fir the goblins. Yes they were nealy drowning but also because Gallywix let them die.

But Image thw alliance dint attacked-again the goblins were ahipd to azshara and never be free and part of the horde.
At least the questionable decision had at leat sole good effektiv gor thw goblins.

Can’t remember it were on the live version and THEN retconed.

But still the majority followded ans still be quited with thw genocided.

After the burning the majority shiud have immediately turned agieren sylvanas sice tve writing was in tve wall she will become garrosh 2.0 abd plunge then again ibti a unnecessary war.
And they knew wagt will happen

dustwallow marsh we’re never part if horde territory, since ut was neutral (because a unfriended swamp) ans hirde barley settled in Kalimdor.

And atill horde were allowed to ancor, reapply and use it again from there as base od operating aginst kul tiras ans the alliance alsow ith an official embassy
Again, if ket thw alliance ancir and let march thugh dustwallow is enough to declare it not neutral then have an embassy there and and let them ancor ther and using ut as assembly point there is the same to be not entirely neutral.

The alliance used tiragade as beach head against the Horde ever since. Durotar was harassrd for years.

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Durotar, that land that belongs to the harpies and quillboars and was taken from them by some green alien invaders after they failed they invaded the eastern kingdoms… :laughing:

Tiragarde was build and used by kul tiras and daelin proudmore after he arrived in Kalimdor (and is probably-not confirmed the one base before he left for theramore)

The alliance did occupied it only AFTER cataclysm were the majority of kul tirans were either killed by hirde adventure abd lastly the fllodwace who sweeping the ciast

Sylvanas being alive will be the revenge sane players have to endure when the horde simps start going crazy again when she inevitably returns

Enough for the Alliance to see them as enemies. For the umpteenth time: Zul was appointed by Rastakhan and acting on his behalf.

And by the way, it’s only been a few years since we started cata and mop at BFA.

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And Elwynn belonged to the gnolls whom you killed for it. Try again.

I mean that’s very weird idea of it being Neutral considering that by in-game standards Theramore was a hostile Zone for the Horde from which the alliance openly launched military attacks and expeditions into Barrens. When Gazlowe who doesn’t even exactly hide his sympathies towards the Horde (He’s the one who designed both iterations of Orgrimar and selected Engineer who helped establish Horde’s garrison in Draenor) maintains better guise of Neutrality than Jaina… It says a lot. She didn’t stop supporting the Alliance during the Cataclysm when the hostilities escalated. Hell the alliance going full force defending Theramore was basically the key point of Garrosh’s plan. His target weren’t civilians (which apparently he gave alliance time to evacuate) but high ranking Alliance Officers.

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The humans didn’t wipe out the gnolls. If anything, it was the gnolls who refused to accept the humans’ presence and attacked their villages.