Where are the chill tank and healer specs?

Should there be fast and complicated tanks and healers, absolutely, but not everybody enjoys that. Where are the chill options, not everybody wants play with IV drip with redbull attached.

Slowest tanks atm on simulationcraft are blood and guardian, at 60 APM, both prot are at the top at over 75 at the start of expansion, it is way too fast on top of having to position and do other tank things, not everybody can and want to play so complicated and fast specs, but there are no options.

With DF healers also have more bloated rotations on top of needing damage, though some have dual use skills, its still a bunch of binds. on top of that there are multiple mechanics being piled on top of each other.

I would like to main or alt healer and/or tank, but atm it seems to be too much of a chore to manage all the bs

Chillest tank: Guardian druid.

80% off their APM comes from spamming the same two buttons.

Chillest healer: MW Monk or Hpally.
You have to DPS to do healing, but it’s in the default rotation off the specs, unlike rdudu or priests.

I love my BDK for this :rofl: you have a good rotation, including self heal so the healer can deal with the rest of the team and it feels very smooth.

Almost too relaxing sometimes.

I saw a BDK yday on Brood HC that was pumping 85k HPS :rofl:

Thats not that huge difference imo , its not like they are somehow harder at rotation or something . Its more about how many buttons can u press at once due to no gcd.

But out of curiosity , what would u preffer ? 40-50 apm? Also would those specs be worse ? Or equal?

Ikr! i love it soooooo much, i only want a shield tank to have a proper toon for the story, but I’m more and more and MORE tempted just to go back to my BDK :rofl: I only don’t like the noodle dmg it does :sob:

I would prefer to play something under 50 and should be similar in performance for most people while falling behind in competitive level, so most players can play whatever they want as there are morons in pugs that will kick a spec for +13 for being 0.2% worse at mdi level

wotlk resto shammy is what i mean with nice and relaxing healing, i have work if i want things complicated, in games i want to talk to friends and drink beer instead of verifying 150 million keypress guarantee for my keyboard switches and keep a track of 15 different resources and 30 buffs/debuffs

Tank: Guardian Druid easily, I levelled one through dungeons while half asleep and half doing something else (Watching a movie, studying, etc).

Healer: I wouldn’t touch healing at the moment, they have it bad.

Healer I have to disagree. Community perspective changed from “healers should do DMG” to “surviving is more important” and right now druids are pumpers so that’s my recommendation.

Mw you have to watching the group frame, kick, stun, do DMG, dodge meele stuff.

evoker is a 1 bottom heal class …

If you want the least amount of buttons to press, play Guardian Druid.

  • For dungeons you can just macro thrash and ironfur, because most of your rage is spent on that anyway and if you need frenzied regen the rage cost is so low it’s not an issue anyway.
  • You can also opt out of the empowered maul talents, although it’s a damage loss on single target.
  • If you spec into galactic guardian the empowered moonfire casts gets automatically cast on your current target if you are sitting on an unused proc and get a new one.

Your rotation is then reduced to pressing mangle and thrash on cooldown, and using moonfire as a filler or for procs. Basically press 3 buttons outside of defensive cooldowns. Swipe is mostly for aoe threat, but if you’re pulling big and popping incarnation, you just press thrash for the next 30 seconds, and if you macro it with ironfur you’ll be more or less unkillabe from mashing 1 button.

While this doesn’t work for the highest keys, it’s perfectly fine for at least keystone master, and if you are after chill tanking I assume you don’t plan on tanking +20 keys

You should probally play WoW Classic with that mindset.
Retail is alot quicker and more fast paced then the classic expansions.

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yeah i could also go and spend my money on other games and wow can keep their problems with finding tanks and healers.

there is a reason wotlk was most played expansion.

Wow (and every MMORPG) will always have a problem with Tank/Heal vs DPS numbers.

Wotlk was the most played expansion but it wasn’t because off that.
That was the norm back in the 'yee old days.
The faster gameplay is the norm in the current days, if you make a slower game ppl would just get bored or go play Runescape etc.

You have been presented with multiple choices from multiple ppl that in their opinion best fit your intrested playstyle, As you requested.

The caster DPS classes like MM Hunters, Warlocks and Evoker have the lowest APM in the game.
Take it or leave it, that’s all I can say about that.

yeah thats what blizzard said about bfa and shadowlands, went well, if i didnt come back for wotlk, i woud probably not have gotten DF

If there are slower/simpler dps options, why there shouldnt be slower tank and healer options?

Because tanks are in the frontline, they get alot off beatings and are melee range, so they need to dodge/move/position stuff.
Since they are melee they don’t have cast times on their skills, they generally play faster then casters.

Healers are constantly dealing with tanks health going up and down depending what happens and also have 3 DPS to (potentially) babysit, if they don’t have stuff to do they have to deal damage. This is when they can chill (for a couple off seconds usually).

DPS is there to DPS.
They don’t have to deal with their party members.
Casters are generally slower because they stand in ranged, dodging quote alot off stuff and just pressing their CAST abilities. These CAST abilities cast while they are pressing nothing, dropping their APM.

Slower tank/heal options can’t exist.
Because that’d mean there’s nothing happening.
This means the bosses are a tank and spank, exactly what ppl dislike about Wotlk etc.

Bm hunter exist u know they can just go afk let their pet do all the work for them :stuck_out_tongue:

But their APM is higher then casters!

gcd is 1.5 sec so that allows for below 50 apm, most tank rotational defensives are short duration buffs. problem is haste scaling, out of gcd abilities and bloated rotations. casted and channeled abilities can be added to tanks.

The only tank with a “bloated” rotation is Prot Warrior.
The only healer with a “bloated” rotation is Rdudu.
In the end its the same 3-4 buttons.
Just like Guardian Druid presses 2 offensive buttons.
Tanks get higher APM cuz off movement and defensives.

No because WoW has cast pushback and channeling cancelling.
This is not FFXIV, I am sorry. (Thank god it’s not!)