I did provide an answer and you refused to acknowledge it, Alliance races such as the Humans, Dwarfs and Night Elves have been living for thousands of years before the Orcs and Forsaken entered the picture, which is why they have much more infrastructure and places.
And the various Horde races do have pretty good places considering the timeframe we are talking about.
The Tauren for a bunch of Migrants have camps in Barrens, Feralas, Stonetalon and Mulgore, all with homes, farms etc…
The Orcs have farms in Durotar, Barrens and Azshara. But they also got a lot of trade with the Night Elves so they didn’t have to be as big as the others.
Forsaken haven’t been around for long yet have plenty of “farms” around Hillsbrad, Tirisfal, Silverpine, they also have Andorhal.
Darkspear are just underdeveloped w/e rip.
Go on, counter these please without involving “Alliance bias” in any way.
Durotar and Barrens are dry wastelands, so are the plagued Tirisfal and Silverspine Forest(most of it). Only real good places are Hillsbrad and Eversong Woods. Even Mulgore is a seasonal thing and Tauren pilgrimage to the Barrens when the green season ends in Mulgore.
Depends on the type of farm, some crops and animal farms can still be grown on farms on “dry wastelands”
Regardless this wasn’t the point of the thread in the first place, it was where the Horde lived and you didn’t provide me a proper reason to why what you put invalids dates what I have put.
Umm, none of the Alliance races except for night elves are original Azeroth races. By your logic all Azeroth should be filled with Troll infrastructure. As they are the original Azeroth race.
I meant by warcraft 3 standards, Humans, Night Elves and Dwarfs have been on the planet 1000’s of years before the Orcs and Undead.
Also there are plenty of Troll settlements, the game is littered with them. And there is story explaining the growth of lets say the Humans due to them beating the Troll here and there. They basically ruled the planet until the Night Elves evolved from them.
Regardless there only like 2 clans of Trolls are part of the Horde now, beyond the odd village here and there. I don’t see how this factors into your original point you were trying to make. Lastly, using the game map as the lore map is just silly.
Well it was like that until Night Elves blew the planet up and the humans G. the remaining Trolls. Might makes right you know? It’s time to take it all back. Together ^^
Can we cut the faction bias screaming and just say Blizzard sucks at proper world building? Like, some isolated cases they did well, but they mostly do a bad job.
I gave reasons why it’s not so terrible, and actually, the same goes for the Alliance since only the Humans really have farms, while we don’t find anything similar for other Alliance races. Orcs have some farms, specifically for boars, but that’s basically it.
It’s not that world-building sucks for the Horde, it sucks for most races in general.
Maybe I am too softened up because of TESO, but you can smell the differences from a Mile away. World building isn’t blizzards talent if it ain’t regular fantasy humans.
To this day I feel sad because of how much they butchered the Gilneas/Worgen starting experience because of this. I don’t know if any of you remember this, but there was a very early screenshot with the design of Gilneas City (Greymane City back then) that showed vendors and a flight path.
Also I recall an interview that they weren’t sure yet if they should destroy Southshore or Tarren Mill.
I bet their plan for Worgen experience at first was Gilneas > Bottom Silverpine (Pyrewood Village, Ambermill) > Hillsbrad, etc
Considering how rushed you leave Gilneas, it’s obvious they run out of time, as they also admitted later.
Anyway I get what Erevien says. Horde suffered from this for years before Cataclysm. I guess we are even now but if anything, it’s Blizzard’s fault. Their solution to even things out was to destroy instead of build, what a horrible decision imo.
It’s quite a miracle that Tauren, Orcs, Goblins(Cartel trading I guess?) and Trolls haven’t starved to death yet considering the utter lack of farms and bigger water sources in most of their areas. Forsaken obviously don’t need to eat, and us Elves have the Eversong Woods. But the Rest? Their supplies must be cut in rations right now, logically speaking.
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I don’t see the problem to be honest. The nomadic culture fits the Horde’s mostly primitive lifestyle and I don’t see the need to change it.
‘Small Camps, tents, fireplaces’ boohoo all this is underselling the biggest benefits that a nomadic lifestyle can do.
Tauren - and Orcs for that matter have mastered this lifestyle to even inhabit the most harshest and most dangerous places on their home turf without the need to expend so much resources. A nomadic lifestyle is usually patterned around a certain key element, such as the seasons and the way a certain animal or herd reacts. Which grants them several boons that farming isn’t really worth it.
Examples:
Tauren and the Kodo
Tauren and seasoal Mulgore
Orcs and Clefthoof
Orcs and Nagrand
I’ve no examples for Trolls. But the point is, Nomadic lifestyle can be as equal or better than slapping a stronghold somewhere, stacking stones or metal and putting so much spikes on it that it should logically fall over after construction.
The Orcs aren’t nomadic. Taurens are. on Draenor that hat multiple settlements in pretty much all zone sminus Arakk. And the same goes for Trolls, Goblins, Elves and anyone else who isn’t a Tauren(Taunka and Highmountain have real settlements too).
Watch Durotan’s Lords of War. It goes on to explain the Frostwolves as an example as to why they choose to live a nomadic lifestyle.
Settlements are generally created when there is land enough to manage through the whole seasons. Or, in the case of the Elves, have power to make it that way. Highmountain may have settlements, but that’s because of the environment around them.
As for the Taunka, that’s actually incorrect. There is a quest that indicates a tragedy of which a moving convoy of Taunka are ambushed by the Scourge, suggesting some of their settlements are also at times, temporary and nomadic.
Shadowmoon aren’t, Bleeding Hollow settled down, so did the Laughing Skulls and the Blackrock. Thanks to chronicles and WoD we know they had major settlements to a certain degree.
