There is so much wrong with what you said. It builds on the wrong premise and narrative, that you can somehow extrapolate, what people want irl, based on what they like to experience in a fantasy world. I don’t think you have done some kind of survey, if you say that’s just the vibe you got there. For example just because I like Orcs in wow, it doesn’t mean I would wanna live in a tribal society with mudhuts. I think rule of the stronger is immoral and uncivi, but that doesn’t mean I couldn’t just play a fantasy game and forget real life expectation for a while.
Also, there is nothing wrong with people being interested in norse mythology, and labelling this is very bad mannerism. I think sumerian, greek, egyptian, chinese, japanese, indian, etc. mythology are all interesting and all make me curious, and it’s often clever, if fantasy universes thematically integrate those ancient themes too. For example the old world of Warhammer also has a chinese-inspired faction.
It’s perfectly reasonable to be protective and worried of third party managers trying to change franchises to appeal more to “modern audience”. Based on what we’ve seen in the whole entertainment industry in the last 5 years, third party micromanagers have left a lot of fallout, division, destruction, and a lot of ressources were evaporated. So no, I think Warhammer fans are reasonable to object to this. As long as their fantasy universe stays in fantasy, it’s fine.
The issue you had is that the fanbase wanted her to be Warchief but she never should have been Warchief.
She always worked better in the shadows, being the Banshee Queen, in the depths of the Undercity. What ruined her was her being forced into the spotlight so everything she did rubbed off on the Horde.
I didn’t mind Sylvanas between W3 - WoTLK, but then she just went off the rails and became as insane as Azshara, only Azshara was cool and insane. Sylvanas was never meant to be insane, so she went insane and did it badly.
So you say you don’t like modern 40k, because you think the audience is a certain way? Idk, I personally don’t even interact with fandoms. The only real interaction I have with a Fandom is actually the wow Forum. Otherwise I sometimes read youtube comments to measure temperature of whether people like something or not.
Oke so you just say what I saw in fandom spaces is just wrong cause you don’t want it to be real or how should I understand that?
When I as a person come into a new fan space and the majority of people I see are really weird dudes that give major fascist vibes that’s the picture I have of that fandom.
If that’s not how it is that is good but then the good people should start being more vocal and cast out people that give there fandom bad rep.
To take a example from a space I am part of for over 10 years now the Norse mythology space.
We have a big problem with people that think Germany in 1940 was a great place if you know what I mean.
Every single person I know that does Norse larp or reenactment either firmly is against those guys.
We don’t allow them at our tables we don’t allow them at our party’s we don’t allow them in our space.
That’s how every fan space should deal with people that obviously are up to no good and that want to use said fandom for nefarious things.
And like I said when I entered the 40k fandom I saw way to many guys that where talking about bad stuff and that took it above enjoying a sci-fi grim dark fantasy that has a big focus on war and suffering. They freely talked about how many practices of the imperium are what the world needs.
I don’t want to go into more detail cause I read disgusting stuff there.
Again that’s not saying Warhammer is bad or every Warhammer fan is like that.
That what I saw there.
That is true too, making sylvanas the warchief was one of the biggest problems in her charachter arc plus even her motivations changed from warcraft 3 to wotlk era so much that it is barely the same charachter afterwards.
The problem is the some of the parts of the fandom crying so hard when you bring actual nuance to the story and some good people. The empire has to look always the “anti hero” cause everyone else is just worse
With Norse mythology it is so bad that people outside of it believe people that use Norse mythology aesthetic or runes and such things are mustache man fans.
For a long time a had a ring with runes on it.
I had more then one situation where for example an employee and McDonald’s refused me service cause he thought I was such a guy
so what I’m sure of is that there are definitely individuals, who are radicalised, yes. That’s the case in a lot of fandoms, because many people irl nowadays are radicalised, because some people are too stupid for the internet in general. What I think is not true, and what borders to lie though, is this premise, that it was even close to a majority. Sure, maybe they have a bit of a higher rate, but I wouldn’t label a majority of an audience.
Personally, if they had just moved the story ever so slightly to attacking Stormwind…the story could have been potentially salvaged because part of her arc was dealing with the Humans (Alliance or Scarlets) so it was a continuation.
But to go absolutely Gordon Ramsay on the Night Elves, where I can only think of one instance where Night Elves and Forsaken had conflict and that was during the Worgen questline, with the Night Elf Priestess stalking the players’ Dark Ranger tracker and using Elune’s power to break the latter’s trap.
The whole thing was so off and pointless. I mean, hell - the whole Tyrande vs Sylvanas thing was so 2011/2012.
It should have been Stormwind that was destroyed, followed by Orgrimmar and then use Darnassus and Lordaeron as the new power bases for Alliance and Horde.
I wouldnt dare even use norse mythology themed runes on a shirt here cause how much wrong way it is used by some people. And ive known people irl who are seeing the whole mythology and culture completly wrong way and praising it for wrong reasons
Like I said I talk from.what I saw in the spaces I moved.
I obviously didn’t had contact with the whole fandom but there where enough of those guys that I stopped interacting with the fandom and just consumed the rest of the interesting lore and left.
That means 40k has a problem with how vocal the radicalised parts of there community are
They could have gone to the anti war theme fully if the bfa’s war destroyed every city.
Even saurfangs story would have make even more sense and even showing bad sides of alliances actions and not making the horde the only problem. When in actuality the whole poison of war was always both teams fault.
And peace would have been actually both building for better future, and just add the war factor to it by expanding the world having more minor groups rise up and get spotlight. Who are against both of factions
Even the title “Battle FOR AZEROTH” doesn’t make sense for a faction war. I mean, having a faction war, when in the previous cinematic for Legion - we had Varian shout “For Azeroth!” whilst fighting alongside Sylvanas against the Burning Legion
The issue with this is Saurfang’s story was the “main” canon side because the whole “loyalist” thing was an after thought. I mean…come on, if they were serious about having a distinction between Saurfang Supporters and Windrunner Loyalists, they could have easily made new questlines for the latter, such as using the newly raised Kaldorei Darkfallen to track a powerful artifact in 8.2, where we see echoes of Dath’Remar Sunstrider and Talanas Windrunner, saving Tyrande Whisperwind during the War of the Ancients and escaping Zin’Azshari…I mean, what a way to pull on the heartstrings to remind us of where both Kael’thas and Sylvanas extent from and what their ancestors did and to use Kaldorei Darkfallen to witness it…I certainly would have been more “loyalist” if they actually cared for it.
You said so, but you were clearly lying obviously. I don’t think it’s a good faith discussion:
You know, that implies two third?
The problem is by letting them use it alone, you give them power over it. I think ancient history is such a broad thing with such a broad appeal that it shouldn’t be “reserved” for anyone. Paganism in general is also getting popular for some reason. I don’t know why, maybe people are just curious to explore different things. I think many ancient mythologies are interesting from egypt over norse to greek, persian, and sumerian. Many cool themes out there, and many fantasy stories draw inspiration from those. Even wow with Yggrdrasil. Lately I have been very interested in ancient chinese history and mythology
The problem: Warcraft had that faction war theme of Orcs vs Humans for 25 years until BFA. And you wanna tell me that suddenly after 30 years, they should abandon it? I think that’d be a huge mistake. If a franchise appeals to an audience for 25 years, how could one justify to remove its core theme? Nobody with any skin in the game would rationally agree to this I think. And based on fan sentiment on internet, it also supports that there isn’t a general sentiment of people suddenly wanting wow to be something completely different.
Also sylvanas loyalists were kind of punished when you didnt get any reference to it later on and choosing saurfang actually wields you rewards it was that item.
If it was like that how most of fanbase was thinking danuser loved sylvanas and thats why she pushed her so much. The loyalist part would have added more depth and story
Instead of an one cutscene where she confirms love for Nathanos and doesnt explain anything
If you had one or two bad anecdotal experiences, say honestly what it is, but I mean we also see people like that in the wow forums, yet the vast majority of people here are civilized and reasonable. If you say that it’s a majority of a fandom, you create and push a stigma that isn’t true. It’s like saying most fighting game or ego-shooter players were violent, only because you met some, who were, and it made sense for you, since the game they play is like that too. It’s not a good connection to draw.
Well we have been in wars even withouth the horde vs alliance conflict.
We have fought the burning legion,scourge,true horde, old gods.
Races being war with groups like scarlet crusade.
I hope we finally will fight light in last titan too
Even withouth faction war there is war and its never gonna go away. even if writing is garbage now