Which class/spec isn't considered braindead or faceroll?

[Ryugal-lightbringer]

@Lyfial-defias-brotherhood

You know, that thing you never do and you are terrible for.

hahaha /10chars

[Lyfial-defias-brotherhood]

@Transmoggu-antonidas

Aren’t you the guy who complained that can’t kill stuned Druid as a shamen , because of all the hots ?

You shouldn’t call out other people in insulting ways, let’s play nice

As a matter of fact Enhancement cannot kill Druid 1v1. As for why It cannot, if you played the spec you would know. I will give you a hint:
You got mana for 7/8 purges which put you on GCD. And you purge 1 RANDOM effect.

Druid spams 3/4 hots on him constantly. And can do it for hours before he gets OOM. Combined with the randomness that you can purge random crap HOT instead good one which just goes in circle Purge > NewHot… over and over. He will always have 3 hots on him. As he applies them instantly and you purge 1 per GCD. Pair that up with Enhancements non existent burst in this xpac and “15 sec no procs window” and you can see why Druid can easily endure 1v1 2v1 vs shaman. Without even utilising all the CC druid got and bear form etc… But you never played Enh or ur a VERY BAD DRUID PLAYER if you get killed by Enhance in PvP.
Nice trolling tho.

Edit: and yeah I main rogue for a year now and am enjoying the PvP and love hunting Pala and Hunter faceroll players. So that crp doesnt work on me bro. If you are dying to current Enhancement Shaman, It means that you are INCREDIBLY BAD AT PVP. End of story.

Edit2: Meanwhile Paladins got 2 bubbles, to heal to full HP and reset fight.
, and more burst damage than SubRogue and ArcaneMage together trololol. Ive seen geared players die in HOJ 100-0 from Pala. You don’t get to say a word about PvP.

[Ghimrizz-argent-dawn (Ghimrizz)]

Roll resto shaman…

• You have enought tools to sustain 30 binds.
• You need multiple azerite kits too feel complete(Especially if you plan to both raid and do m+).
• You need to pay attention to both enemies and friends positions.
• You get Elemental as a possible off-spec. Clearly one of the most enjoyable and viable ranged dps specs.
• Elemental are easy to play, but requires a bit extra too master. Since you got very flexible talent choices.

[Aylish-emerald-dream (Aylish)]

All are considered braindead, don’t worry.

I can recommend feral though… The rotation could be classified as braindead as the rest, but freaking hell your dps drops if you push a bottom wrong. That’s how it looks to me anyways.

[Theloa-stormscale (Theloa)]

Every class was always simple its never been rocket science

[Faexis-lightbringer]

Subtelty Rogue.
I find it really difficult to manage the constant shifting between stealth and no stealth for good DPS.

Out of all classes I’ve played so far that was by far the most challenging for me.

[Magiola-darksorrow]

Perhaps Feral Druid? Not too popular but still has some potential when played right.

[Véila-quelthalas]

Feral no doubt. It’s arguably the hardest spec to play due to it’s counterintuitive flow of resource to gameplay relationship, lack of any powerful CD’s to pick up on burst moments and get’s heavily punished for misusing any ability.

Even though it’s got enough bandaid numbers fixes to be played it’s generally not worth it compared to other melee’s or even it’s counterpart in Balance, but the latter mostly for utility reasons. It’s a very fun spec though.

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

@Fjora-ravencrest

Which class would you consider “not braindead” or “faceroll” that has more depth and requires skill to play effectively?

All of them.

[Redoctober-frostmane (Redoctober)]

@Fjora-ravencrest

So I came back to wow recently, last time I played was wotlk,

@Fjora-ravencrest

Long story short: Which class would you consider “not braindead” or “faceroll” that has more depth and requires skill to play effectively?

Compared to what you might remember from WOTLK, all of them are absolutely braindead now. I’m not joking, they only developed the classes in the two expansions after WOTLK, Cata and MoP (arguably only in MoP they did a good job, but that’s another issue), while for the past 3 expansions in a row they actually took away things from them, something called “ability pruning”. By today’s standards, WOTLK classes would be supercomplex.

[Leymaiden-azjolnerub (Leymaiden)]

@Ryugal-lightbringer

I am really amazed when I see disc in group finder who can do the same m+ content as rdru.

Eventually you run to the innevitability of tuning even as like that. Our tank healing needs some tuning upwards somehow and it will be fine though.

You can do anything a druid can with a warrior tank though. Except waycrest trio where you also need rogues to dispel their own marks or a retri pala with word of glory. To be honest eventually you start requiring a lot of crutches and they are different ones for each dungeon which make it difficult for dedicated teams.

Druids start needing some crutches eventually as well, but the things they need help with are consistent across all dungeons so a group of friends can cover them once and then it’s all good to go.

[Krillsey-silvermoon (Krillsey)]

@Tirella-stormscale

Last expansion will be able to be played with your phone I guarantee.

Do you not have a phone?

…

Too soon?

[Ryugal-lightbringer]

@Leymaiden-azjolnerub

retri pala with word of glory

that’s actually one of the reason I am happy to see discs, cause they generally notice our pala utility.

ofc we do the same help for rdru, when party need extra fast bump from low to mid-full health, but they don’t seem to appreciate where does these heal spikes comes from. xD

[Scarbrand-nemesis (Scarbrand)]

@Lyfial-defias-brotherhood

I don’t give 2 cents about a PvE content. Who cares if someone else pulls 20% more dps than me in PvE. I don’t certainly. For what I care, Holy Priest can do 50m damage-per-Second in PvE and I wouldn’t care. Nor would ANY other Shaman care.

But of course PvE scrub like you who never even played Enh in arenas and PvP can’t know a thing about it… And yes Paladins are beyond broken in PvP.

So, a player who don’t care about PvE pretend to insult other players because they do another type of content.

Yeah, good job man, you are devaluating your argument for sure. Give it a try and maybe you can talk about it (if you don’t get kicked by the group because you try to find Lightning Lasso in the spellbook while inside the raid).

[Omár-draenor]

Rogues seem far from brain dead, I feel we have a button ready for every situation.
Cure for aggro problems? Yes.
Need to stun? Yes.
Mobility? Yes.
Avoiding melee damage? Yes.
Avoiding spell damage? Yes.
Avoiding aoe damage? Yes.
Bypassing mechanics? Yes.
Group stealth? Yes.
Sap? Yes.
Mid-fight sap? Yes.
Self cure? Yes.
Group Stealth? Yes.
Slowing down mobs? Yes.

[Lyfial-defias-brotherhood]

@Scarbrand-nemesis

So, a player who don’t care about PvE pretend to insult other players because they do another type of content.

Yeah, good job man, you are devaluating your argument for sure. Give it a try and maybe you can talk about it (if you don’t get kicked by the group because you try to find Lightning Lasso in the spellbook while inside the raid).

When someone troll comment on a PvP post about state of some class in PVP , with a P-V-E argument. Its a true disrespect or a question of intelligence. Of course I will bash on him. I never insulted him because he does PvE. My sister does only PvE as well. It is just not polite to post things you don’t know anything about or argue about things you don’t do or don’t play enough as if you know everything about it. In this example he argues with ENhancement PvP state, but he never probably played one for more than 1 hour in PvP in his life. Or he wouldn’t be posting what he did.
Its like a doctor arguing with mechanical Engineer about cars and rockets…

[Someoneelse-xavius (Someoneelse)]

@Omár-draenor

Rogues seem far from brain dead, I feel we have a button ready for every situation.

That’s my definition of what the OP would call brain dead. No need to think just hit the button. This is major part of why I dont take PvP rogue seriously when they complain about how bad PvP is.

How have rogues got to keep most of their i win buttons when other classes slots huge amounts their toolkit removed.

[Seralya-kilrogg (Seralya)]

Feral isn’t brain dead but it’s dead. Why bother learn a class when you can smash your head into the keyboard and deal more dps with some other class?

[Scarbrand-nemesis (Scarbrand)]

@Lyfial-defias-brotherhood

I never insulted him because he does PvE. My sister does only PvE as well.

Well, you said “PvE scrub” (not in the part i quoted) so…
Btw, the OP never said he was talking about PvP, from what i got by the OP, it seems for me he was talking in general.

Anyway i don’t think there is a really hard class / spec to play, WoW never had hard classes to play since i started atleast (TBC), but i think that the less braindead ones are these:

• Survival Hunter
• Demonology Warlock
• Feral Druid (with a certain talent)
• Subteltly Rogue

I’m talking in general, not strictly on PvE or PvP, Surv it’s a little tricky with the Wildfire Infusion talent, Demonology is not hard by itself, but you have to manage the number of demons, their energy…is better to cast Tyrant now or to delay it? Etc etc. Feral has been considered one of the hardest spec during Legion if you played with a certain talent, but i’m not sure if it still exist and if it competitive compared to the other two talents.
For Sub Rogue probably is a personal thing: i’ve got alot of problem with the Mage Tower, about 68 tries , wich is the most that it took for me compared to all my other chars, but i have to say that i never ever played Sub since Blizzard removed the talent trees, i didn’t had the right stats and i had to switch talents each time i fault until i found the right compromise between the stats i had and the talent build, i eventually get it but yeah, probably is just my personal feeling about the Legion Mage Tower

[Джифорз-soulflayer (Джифорз)]

3-4 button class is the reality of WoW now. I guess every class is pretty braindead today. Maybe rogue and feral are somewhat challenging but I’m not sure.