Set your filter to MAX which is what the spec can actually MAX or at 95’s. You will see they are exactly the same with pala bring bout 5x more damage from shaman and without casting. Plus the Hpala DR is taking account everyone in the raid without all the RDPS have to move melee and loose DPS.
You will pick shaman or hpala? Because i see double Hpalas not double shamans
The thing is, they have very strong output in damage and healing, and even godly utility.
The only thing that “holds hem back” is AoE healing.
Like that’s it.
I am playing both paladin and shaman, and the shaman has way more flexible strong heals available for dungeons. And the throughput is stupidly high. The paladin is a sitting duck outside of wings.
For mythics=pvp>raids I would say HPaladin or Shaman. Perhaps even Holy Priest atm.
Just don’t pick Disc, Resto dudu or MW.
If holy pala and disc priest are not most noob unfriendly, which healers are?
Keep in mind post is not about healer veteran knowing every class and setting up addons in 5 min on new character, but about brand new healer. Ofc if you have 18k achievment points and know all healers well, holy paladin would not be hard for you, you can just simply target enemy and start your rotation, use your mouseover holy shock and word of glory on your UI with all allies in the middle of the screen. You probably dont have problems as well to position close to allies to maximize mastery.
But if this is new player, he dont have raid UI in the middle of screen, and he dont have mouseovers ready, and it s for sure easier to spam prayer of mending with this AOE holy priest heal (forgot the name), while learning everything step by step, instead of jumping straight in above holy paladin gameplay.
Do you check logs?
Almost nobody uses that and for a reason.
What exactly makes holy pala hard? Please tell us.
As about disc people find hard the fact the heal through dps. Setting up your UI to show attornments + casting PWS + PWR before smite spam is hard again?
A new player that never healed before and was always dpsing so far could probably find disc easier to play than all other healers because of their dps side.
But I mean… You would still need to learn hpal if you would want to play hpal. Your priest keybinds and rotations won’t carry over to paladin.
So the best thing really is to learn the healer you find the most fun. Because no healer has the same playstyle.
Yes but that doesnt exclude my main point for MW, managing its mana is really hard and the leggo you talk about is not good enough to use 
The bigger throughput only matters for healing avoidable damage though. Hpala is the best healer for m+:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/25#class=Healers
Well, up to +20 people take avoidable damage. I am taking it myself too. Then a flexible healer with more throughput is way better. The pala is ‘the best healer’ because it is doing the most damage.
And i responded directly to;
“holy Paladins need to take a heavy nerf to both damage and healing because they do way too much currently.”
While hps is actually lacking.
If you manage to keybind everything, Holy priests are great, complete healers
Hpriest is easy with the multiple relatively low CD heals that get reduced when you use your basic heals, but outside of them are a little bit lacking. Quite squishy, but being necrolord helps a bit with that after the new buffs.
Rshaman is quite powerful especially with high mastery when it comes to triage, has a few instant casts to burn and cast on the move every 2 mins if you need, doesn’t like spread healing.
Pallies are good 2-3 target healers with beacon(s) and Glimmer of light owns for party healing, plus they make good fighters when damage intake is low.
These are the ones I played more or less and also liked.
This is why you shouldn’t give advice on a role you don’t play.
Druid and Disc are the hardest healers, both requiring good cooldown usage (less so with spirit shell) and proactive healing whereas the easiest healing specs are shaman and holy priest which are mostly reactive healing.
I would even say druid is harder than disc now since disc has static one minute timers over the 4 different cooldowns on druid consisting of tree of life, flourish, convoke and tranquility.
Mistweaver and holy paladins fall in the middle of these two groups since they require being in melee range and are also considered melee by boss mechanics while having mostly reactive healing.
I’ve heard Shaman but I don’t heal myself if I can avoid it.
Welcome to the forums ! Here everyone can give advice.
I given advice to healer class i already played in my experience was the easier, and since it is not my main role, i know good what class can be easier to learn and to play when we start than a main player healer that main every healer ?
If you don’t want to ear about other opinion, forum is maybe not a place for you.
You are a PvEr
I am a PvPer
As the OP asked he seek for M+ = PvP > raid
As i already played monk and disco in M+
And played Monk / Priest ( holy / disco) / Restoration in PvP
My opinion is valid.
That why it’s always interresting to know point of view in the forums : Everyone got a point of view, play different content.
The Content you do in M+ doesn’t look the same in PvP or raid
That why a opinion of someone can look weird to you due to different content.
That a opinion is worth to be posted or not, it is not to you to judge.
Your advice can also be completely wrong, which it was in this case.
For pure healing resto druid is very good and not cooldown dependant at all and at the same time have tons of utility so you can grow a lot.
Cooldown dependent.
Healing outside of cooldowns is way low even if you play it correctly.
This makes it harder to play as a novice it also makes it harder to play in pugs.
“Beginner friendly” - if you don’t like lots of key binds. Don’t play shaman.
Genuinely the healer with the least amount to keep track of (passive buffs, bonuses, synergy between spells) is H priest.
Sadly this is also its downfall. With FC Lego now at 20 sec you have to worry about that even less. So get 5 stacks of FC. And press heal - that’s it. PoM and occasionally press word spells.
It’s really that simple. Once you get used to healing. Simple becomes dull though. Throughput without utility becomes boring.
Resto druid isn’t cooldown dependent? What?
Druid has 4 different cooldowns with 4 different timers, if you aren’t using cooldowns properly you’re going to be doing tank hps.