Factually undead aren’t eve a race so its 1 out of 4 so…
technically undead aren’t a race, but factually they coded as a race in game and reffered to as a race 
So now we are using game logics?
no i’m just feeling funny
I never edited this post.
I think my account has been hacked.
What was edited? Everything there checks out with your previous posting paterns.
Orcs: burned down the woods of quel’thals which led the h11 join the war.
And remembered, the modern horde consists of veterans of the 1&2 war.
Undead: former part of the scourge which genocided the population of quel’thals
Troll: arch enemy of the elves, and h11 wound aee an difference between a amani or Gurubashi (darkspear) troll, they woud treat the same.
Its funny that the b11 has a grudge against humans because of the Garithos incident but happily work with those 3 races against were one hostile against the h11/b11.
And the Tau empire, but only out of convenience , led one evil fight another evil to keep them in a perpetual locked to keep the busy and weakening each other since the imperial guard couldn’t fight every conflict and their ranks already spread thin.
And the Tau do quite well against the Necrons.
What is h11 and b11? I assume its NE and BE but where does h11 and b11 come from?
Are you a moltensage 2.0? Ignoring all points from the post and continue to force narrative you like?
You don’t understand what I’m talking about, do you?
Also, some craftworlds imperium TRADES WITH, others kills humans on sight without any negotiations
Oh, thats a short form in the German community for high and blood elves, sincd the german version of elves (Elf) is the Same pronunciation of the number 11. (Elf).
So high elve< hoch elf (h11)
Sry for confusion you, its just a habit from the german community.
Funnily enough there was a quest in uldum which was similar, when you bring a Goblin 8 candle and then he yells and shout “nine, nine, nine:” and the English numbers 9 sound in German like the word nein (No) , so its sounds he yells “nein, nein, nein” which is a funny reference ro a certain autrian painter.
Maby i overlooked it since i don’t the giant walls of text of Moltensage or similar, cpud zou mark the specific passage?
The Horde, blood elves are generally good people.
from my point of view the horde are the good misunderstood faction and the alliance are the evil
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Let me guess, you also don’t like sand becasue it is coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere…? 
Where even are we now at this point? Everything that can be said has been said no?
Where is this discussion even going at this point?
plenty of sand in durotar
Would be interesting to see if there was actually loyalty finally growing to the horde from the side of blood elves, did they helped other races and stuff except participating in wars as a sidekick?
Tbh if even blizzard already in TFT planned belves being red team or just not be part of the blue, then maybe for wow would be quite reasonable to set up 3 faction system, something similar was in eq2/eq. Then all the problems would likely be solved. By 3rd faction I would mean semi-neutrals isolationist type races who really helping each other only out of necessity and convenience. Forsaken, blood elves, pandaren would fit here nicely, even vulpera probably but maybe vulpera are more close to horde than first 3 because they also live nomadic lives and they would need a help from a big brothers in order to survive.
And in terms of blood elves matter, they literally could just end up neutral for example if alliance also showed efforts to build diplomatic relationships and did not betrayed or endangered elves like in pretbc and mop event with Jaina, then it would be no problem for elves going full isolationist and don’t join any union and being independent state. They even got their own representation of a leader, so it would be not fully logical to submit to warchief or highking passed that. If not counting garithos anymore and the allaince would actually try to be trustful partner as well, then the elves would probably not facing any danger from either side. And then some threat is coming to their lands both factions just go and eliminate that threat and secure the lands, like it always was when the big baddy starts wreaking havoc like in legion.
So this was my take on the whole situation and how I see it
if not counting the massive lore retcons, draenei were probably having the most valid reason to join the side of alliance, what do you think? Draenei really look something like tauren analog in alliance, peaceful open minded and just kind
Alliance fails to recognize the different horde led by Thrall as well horde doesn’t want to recognise differences between lordaeron alliance and modern alliance. I repeat: Thrall was completely different branch of the horde we saw in wc2, they were literally the only clan who was not infighting and they fled to alterac and then they mysteriosly landed on kalimdor
probably because of elves horde looks kinda more moral than their brutal predecessor horde we had at least in vanilla
if not bad writing and evil warchiefs, which for example caused teldrassil burned, I would totally agree that horde is much better than alliance in terms of morals. I really don’t understand why blizzard decided to villainize alliance by adding subtle and shady stuff the alliance doing. Alliance are like evil subtle guys in nice outfit and the horde are ugly looking good guys
More on the whole good/evil thing: if we talking about alliance, humans were the greatest source of all evil coming from the alliance side, at least how I see it, they were the most corrupt, and hot headed sometimes, like Jaina, completely unpredictable. I don’t recall any other race of the alliance being key figure in committing various warcrimes, only maybe that one dwarf in eversong woods, but in general humans were the biggest thing sinking the alliance down to being evil at times. I can’t remember draenei (after they joined alliance, not eredar), gnomes, dwarves or even nightelves being actively plotting shady stuff. Garithos was human, Jaina is human, soldiers assaulted Taurajo were mostly human and led by human general etc. If talking about horde races: I would say everything except undead is quite ok in my opinion, orcs were hit in mop with evil warchief title, but that was only one case
The Scourge. They weren’t going for half measures like “screw this faction or that one in particular”, they were going the “screw EVERYONE”, balls deep.
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Well yes draenei were massively retconned to fit narrative, reinvented id say, Belves weren’t changed much
That’s what I’m trying to tell and he ignores, thrall’s horde is specifically horde that didn’t want to conquer and fight against humans and just fled by the sea to find new home, darkspear aren’t amani tribe that were constantly attacking quel’thalas, forsaken aren’t mindless scourge zombies and are led by sin’dorei military hero, and taurens are entirely new
Oof I just had to come back to this one… You have my full support dude. That the Alliance should be treated by the same rules as they treat the horde morally.
That being said! Garithos was never brought into trial by the new Alliance… Because he was very -very- dead by the time the new Alliance came to be…
Varimathras burned him alive by the wrath of several fire balls 
1:10 timestamp
Also… the Alliance of Lordaeron was the only Alliance existing at this point in time in the lore… Stormwind was still rebuilding after having been razed by the Horde.
And this dude was in fact the de-facto leader of the surviving members of the then Alliance.
But yeah… You cannot judge the whole of the Alliance based of the acts of one Alliance member. And that should apply too the horde too then shouldn’t it? The sunreavers…
that one Vulpera caravan. Just saying.
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Taurens. They are very peaceful, they love nature. When I think about Taurens, I don’t recall anything disturbing about them.
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