I know it might be really hard to answer with regard of really wonky lore and many past events, but I am wondering, Horde or Alliance is morally better and actually more of the “good” guys? What do you think? For me it feels like alliance is not better than the horde at all, knowing that they don’t go on the trial for their crimes (example with Jaina in MoP)
Neither, both have their faults. The “morally better” would be when both sides collaborate to take on a bigger threat… which they’ve done tons of times.
The amount of flip flopping beyond that is comically bad for the absolute sake of Horde vs Alliance.
The Horde bombed Theramore and burned Teldrassil.
It was also created after a bunch of violent savages came through a portal without being invited here, because their recklessness destroyed their home planet.
Then, they recruited the Blood Elves, another bunch of reckless people and drug addicts who also brought destruction to their people.
And they recruited the Goblins who are the embodiment of greed, and who may one day cause climate change in Azeroth.
Objectively, the Horde are the bad guys here. There’s very little room for debate.
I would not fully agree on Theramore though, Theramore is not a capital or something it is more of the military base on the Horde lands or at least in close proximity to orcish homeland, and Garrosh could not stand such close Alliance presence. Also don’t forget who burned Taurajo.
The situation with orcs true homeland is quite funny, they were dumb enough to submit to Burning Legion and destroyed their home with their hands, but also we know that the Thrall and his brethren came from the Frostwolf clan who rejected the Mannoroth drink and they did not want to just recklessly destroy all the lands they get their hands on. Though they had some skirmishes with night elves in the forests to the north of their new home, because they cut down the trees.
On the greater scale, maybe only Garrosh 's violence in Pandaria and in the other parts of Azeroth was quite bad and also Sylvana burning Teldrassil just for the sake of burning I guess.
But also we should not forget the Alliance did bloodelven genocide in Dalaran and pretty much there is nothing to save the relations, after TBC came it is all dead with diplomatic talks between alliance and silvermoon, spies and poor reaction of the alliance on to that problem to blame. Also they burned taurajo which tauren will never forgive.
So for me it is kinda even feels that horde was maybe slightly better but they both did bad actions at the time
I could type like ten pages about this but I won’t, lol
Obviously, the Horde is worse. They always end up being the aggressor because their leaders go crazy.
Murlocs, definitely the murlocs
I mean only 1 side has started 4 wars, just saying.
The neutral factions are morally better.
It was the Storm Troopers wasnt it, those damn Troopers
Jaina did not got crazy? I guess she was also one who was literal aggressor towards elves of Silvermoon, Varian should have been imprison Jaina for her bloodthirsty actions (she literally killed like half of Sunreavers shown on cinematic), and obviosly should’ve been demoted from Kirin Tor lead and maybe even leave the Kirin’tor entirely. The elven ranger was fully right about alliance bigotry, they betrayed elves in WC3, TBC and then Jaina put the complete end of any possible diplomatic actions between elves and alliance.
Tbh, Jaina could be a good villain for at least one expansion, so comparable to Garrosh or Sylvana in some way
The Alliance wins this competition by a long shot. Naturally it had its fair share of morally wrong takes over the years, but it’s nothing compared to the Horde.
I agree with this.
Argent dawn would be probably one of the most moral factions in the game, their goal was just fight scourge and everything corrupted, if talking about neutral factions
So there is 1 instance when an Alliance leader did something crazy AS A RESPONSE to an aggression by a Horde leader. Great example.
Meanwhile the Horde does it on a daily basis. lol
The sins of the Horde. Does not excuse the sins of the Alliance… the horde has done allot, Not going to deny that. But its not like the alliance are excused from warcrimes either.
They burned Vulpera caravans alive for instance. Wasn’t very noble cash money of you Alliance You’ve done other things too
I am not gonna do a ‘‘But camp taurajo!’’ meme here. But the Alliance are capable of evil too.
The neutral ones.
I align myself with the Void!!! Even with my paladin, I’m just using the light because of theme.
Horde and Alliance can screw themselves.
And Plague bombed Undercity. Not to mention they blew up (admittedly by accident) Draenor forming Outland (well the Orcs did, if not the Horde per se).
Although Jaina did threw the Sunreavers out of Dalaran so I guess both sides are about as bad as each other.
Theramore was a city, may not be a Capital like Stormwind but still a city. In terms of size it may have been 1/3 the size. Just because you could run from one side to the other in a minute doesn’t mean it’s really tiny. You could run from one side of Stormwind to the other in a minute too. These are representations and not scale models.
Goldshire is a town and Theramore is way bigger than Goldshire.