A good enh twists totems. And hunters can also profit from resto shaman.
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Considering we raid with 2-3 rogues because meta is easy and boring and we prefer challenges and not discriminating between classes.
The pumping rogue will benefit more if he has the warp spring coil proc also which ignores armor and if the other rogue is iea. Even so, have seen rogues with iea and the trinket pump more than a ret even when they didnât have wfury. (might be that our server doesnât really have model rets tho).
Maybe it isnât about who deserves morew wfury but getting more shamans.
In our group, the most important is our warr tank for threat generation with wfury.
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Just get two shamans.
Problem solved.
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Way ahead of you.
My guild runs with 5.
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Why not 10? 
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Why do you have any other melee in your raid outside of âmelee groupâ with enh ?
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Pretty much this⌠If it wasnt for BS it would be ret 1st prio.
That being said - getting tossed out vs 2 rogue/fury warriors again ASSUMING equal gear/skill - RL should delete the game and sell his PC.
Iâm not saying this is why.
But this is probably why.
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Any Enh shaman worth their salt should always be twisting WF + Agi to maximize utility for the group.
if you are Enhancement and you donât do this, youâre a bad Enhancement Shaman.
WF priority in order just to clarify though:
1: Arms Warrior.
2: Fury Warrior.
3: Ret Paladin (please talent your aura so you provide utility to the group as well)
4: Rogue
Rogue are, by far, the class who benefits the least from WF. they donât generate resources and their auto attack damage is kinda low compared to 2handed swings and rogues do not provide any utility to the melee group.
blade flurry is a 2 min cooldown that only lasts 15 seconds, so every second trash pack a rogue can pop it and get a good burst of dps, then ceases to benefit in any meaningful way from WF after the 15 seconds their blade flurry lasts, are up, whereas Warriors of all kinds get rage, even a warrior tank should be prioritized for WF over a rogue because of this.
and like OP said; a well geared paladin who seal twists can get some enormous bursts using WF, so yeah Ret > Rogue for sure.
Your raid leader needs to get his head examined.
lmao only one that needs a âhead examâ is you sir, the whole shaman must twist is a hilarious joke and i honestly hope blizzard creates casual/non ratrace servers for Wotlk so ppl that want to ENJOY the game and not bein a ratrace server can enjoy it without eggheads in Dungeons/heroics screaming profanity at shamans for NOT twistingâŚ
Its a GAME ⌠i repeat ⌠a Game ⌠so what if you dont âparseâ 50-100 in normal shadowlabs , so what if you arnt nr 1 in the world in a 15 year old game if everything dies and people are having fun then i see no issueâŚ
Let the shamans do what they want with their chars and their game time !
Found the bad Enh shaman.
you can play your shaman however you want, you can even ignore your totems completely for all i care, but donât be surprised when youâre kicked mid raid after RL tells you numerous times to pop WF for the melee group, or not brought along for raid at all after garnering a reputation as âthat guy who canât play shamanâ.
you realize shamanâs primary role is utility right? refusing to provide utility means youâre a noob player.
it would be like a holy priest refusing to provide stam buff or heals because âi play how i want to playâ.
What are you talking? You only posted parses from mag grul when i was in preraid gear. I dont even do logs. Smart as*. You clearly have no idea
Enh shamans totem twist because they donât have much of a rotation. Stormstrike and shock spells, one is an 8 second CD, the other is 6 seconds.
Know what they do with their 4 seconds of downtime? Totem twist. If they donât? Theyâre basically spending half of their time doing nothing. Personally, I wouldnât want somebody in my raid group that spent half of their time doing nothing.
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How do you expect a proper opinion without any logs then?
All you will ever be getting is a general opinion then.
Also: found this as a comparison between a ret palaâs dps and a rogueâs dps with expose armor. Considering he has two rogues and the iea represents a 6-7% loss of dps, is it really justifiable damage wise to put a ret pala over rogue?
This is the first log from searching dps from ret pala in which there is also a rogue
rogue: 1,824.0 dps, 2.52m, 98 parse (2 supper sapper charge 13.5k)
ret pala: 1,794.1 dps, 2.48m, 98 parse (4 super sapper charge 30.3k, 1 goblin sapper charge 8k)
Log 2
rogue: parse 87, 2.04m, 1.770dps ( 2 fel iron bombs 5.5k, 5 super sapper 24.7k)
pala: parse 97, 2.06m, 1.798.7 dps ( 2 fel iron bombs 13k)
Both rogues had improved expose armor and both palas and rogues had wfury active.
Searched logs after most dps done by ret palas and these are two encountered with a rogue in to be taken as comparison so you can easily find them also.
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Because those are all the logs you have, thereâs 0 public from either SSC or TK.
But honestly even if there were, I doubt theyâd be much better.
should a warrior tank have WF above a rogue/warrior/ paladin in a grp?
Depends on what your threat cap is.
Our MT warrior is kept in group 1 with an enhancement shaman because we need the increased threat that it allows him to deal.
we have a MT druid tank, i only OT on trash
Seal twisting changed the game. Ret benefits more than fury.
A 2 handed white attack with a seal of blood / matyr hit is gonna do way more damage than a silly 1 hand white proc followed by a heroic strike.