Alliance never ever won a war against the Horde without some kind of “treason”. Never ever had a clean victory.
Because Blizzard are Horde bias.
The alliance only loose Mekkatorke and he is comming back soon. The alliance attacked with a strike force and destroyed half the zandalari fleet and their King.
If you count WoW:
Horde never ever won a war against alliance period.
If you count all the Warcrafts:
Horde never ever won a war against the Alliance without some kind of “treason”. Never ever had a clean victory.
so all in all i think the Horde still got the short stick, no idea how that is horde bias…
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Yeah, the only war the Horde won against the “Alliance” was the First War, in which they triumphed only because Gul’dan the vile had King Llane Wrynn murdered. Stormwind actually managed to deliver one of the most humiliating and greatest defeats in the history of the Horde, when they utterly crushed the initial invasion and pushed the Orcish Horde all the way back to the Dark Portal, causing such massive infighting that the Horde was almost torn apart.
The Horde should feel bad. The armies of an entire continent, almost losing against a single kingdom. Pathetic. It goes to show that a rabble of barbarians is nothing against a shining highly-trained and disciplined legion, a shield of justice and order, and a beacon of hope for the world.
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Just to pick that one out: The Loa are in Zandalar, physically, and Wild Gods seem to mostly stick to their own territory. Of course they lend powers ro their followers, but they always did, so I don’t see why we would expect some change here.
Apart from that… the Night Elves also have a team of Wild Gods of their own that should be plenty annoyed by the Horde burning, blighting and killing of their followers in their neighbouring woods. The last time Ashenvale was attacked Goldrinn chose a champion and buffed a Worgen raiding party to stop it. The time before that Cenarius himself showed up, quite annoyed.
And lastly… Wild gods aren’t that powerful. Oh, they can do plenty of stuff, but they stll can be killed, trapped, poisoned, absorbed and so on. And it doesn’t necessarily need more than one superior warrior with an axe.
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Well… at least this thread hasn’t devolved into looking at the Raid and the cinematic whilst pointing out far-fetched reasons to yell out Horde Bias.
Yet.
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I kind of see your point, as I’m too starting to grow immune to the silly guilt trips Blizzard dishes as I quest Horde side. Many times it’s just hypocritical BS.
Take how Umbric decides to decimate a palace worth on random civilians playing golf in Azshara.
Even in the forums I’ve seen people say for example that Goblins dont count and they deserve such treatment. If they feel this way about ‘my Faction mates’ when i play Horde in game - it makes it much easier for me to reciprocate.
That’s probably the reason certain players never felt too badly about Teldrassil.
Every poster I see that waves aside Alliance War Crimes makes me agree with Blizzard’s direction. Just a little bit.
It does not make me proud when I play Horde - but from an ingame perspective it does make killing Alliance a little bit more satisfying and sells the imagery Sylvanas argues about easier (Not perfectly, mind you).
Personally speaking of course.
I am touched by the importance you give your fellow posters when judging a story they don’t write. In a “stop touching me!”-sense.
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The pettiness of human beings. I did say its just a little.
It does feel like giving up on charging against the obvious source of it all (writers), when you end up seeing people cheering for that sort of story.
And truth be told, i doubt i’m the only one that punctually feels that way. I’m just being honest here.
Edit: We can all act all high and mighty regarding how this sort of artificial rivalry Blizzard shoved down our throats is beneath our noticing, but truth be told, i doubt there are many around here that upon seeing certain reactions to this story don’t think “Why do i bother?”. I mean, i can totally picture people feeling that way when I argue in favour of certain stuff.
Damn, the arrogance what comes out of this statement is funny. Can you give me an example of EVERY Alliance poster waving away their warcrimes? And can you also explain to me how you don’t do this when discussing Horde crimes?
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I meaaan…
When the writers of one of your favourite stories tell you that your faction is now evil in the most blatant way possible with no other way for yourself to counter or demand change from it, then you’ll have to find resolution somehow.
Even if it means growing an ignorant skin as to the dramatic effects this “story” is meant to do just to feel being ‘good’ about it.
I don’t like being called evil and it’s personally sad for me to see my favourite faction is being turned into one. Sad alternative is to leave everything i’ve built on the red side to remake it all over again in the blues.
Thankfully however, i’ve a circle that enjoys both.
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The alliance won this one, they took down half of the fleet, took down the king, and slain high priests and prelates. Their objectives has been completed.
However, when it comes to ground forces I still think that Zandalari have advantage over Kul’Tirans (the dino clavary, the aid from Loa themselves, huge army that had to be lured away from city in order to make this whole attack possible) and even with half of the fleet they can do some serious damage judging from one encounter where one Zandalari ship took down 5 kul’tiran ones.
And as you said Alliance still lost quite a lot when assaulting token of the Zandalari forces left.
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Why do I bother talking to any generic you? Yes, that happens, quite a lot.
Why do I bother with the story? I don’t need you to ask that question.
But I don’t see how any “why do I bother?” question would lead me to agree with Blizzard more.
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I don’t think this “Who is evil” and “Who is moral” crap even matters. Just play the game with your mates and enjoy. Sylvanas isn’t preventing me from enjoying my Cobalt Pterrordax.
dinosaurs. dinosaurs are the real heroes of this expansion.
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Now that’s Horde bias!
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Should’ve expanded on it.
I meant agreeing with the kind of story Blizzard tells us about certain Horde collectives being unrepentant about carrying out morally reprehensible acts.
Why do i bother feeling bad about torching a civilian outpost or defiling the soul of a corpse, if equivalent actions are given this disparate treatment and are argued upon favourably or downright ignored?
This is petty, and i know it.
Buts its the underlying and unconscious feeling that keeps being fed upon reading certain reactions.
I don’t think the part after the “if” is as important as you make it out to be.
And be proud of me, I resisted just taking the “Why do i bother feeling bad about torching a civilian outpost or defiling the soul of a corpse”!
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Thats like the crux of it all…
A conflict that was sold as morally grey but that had one side embracing the negative aspects of their actions while the other just got to ignore it.
Thats what eventually causes, in me personally, to grow inmune to the guilt trip Blizzard forces upon me through characters like Baine and Saurfang, and instead pushes me towards the skewed and amoral indifference the supposed ‘bad guys’ (say Nathanos or Sylvanas), supposedly have.
And referring to certain players reactions, they just accentuate said feeling. Even if very mildly.
EDIT: And i fully understand what Hachak said here by the way.
I just think that different players have different reactions to said story.
EDIT 2:
You resisted the urge to take half the sentence and argue upon it out of context? Good for you I guess.
Why indeed…
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