Whos stupid idea was BFA anyway?

I don’t think that Azshara is portrayed badly in the BFA, she got the zone in which was in a good way presented her background, she received the Warbringer video which I rly like and her story is not over yet.

The character for which I feel how it was badly used recently was Kil’jaeden in Legion, Blizzard just pulled him out to be a raid boss and than forgotten which is a shame, he should have gotten more story there. If Blizzard will continue killing the important lore characters in that way I feel how it might end without many interesting characters coz is not as easy to write them down as it is to kill them.

And besides not many characters in the WoW lore got such a rich story as Arthas to deserve the entire expansion dedicated to them.

You don’t like bfa we get it…no need to make 100 topics on it

I want to see her (Azshara) again, taking over universe and making us serve her but that’s just me I guess.

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Yes the story of BfA was terrible. It was forced and shoehorned into the game with no thought for common sense or character consistency, and on some occasions they outright retconned previous lore.

The boring ‘red vs blue’ faction war storyline they had forced into the game kept stealing the thunder of much better fresh storylines. Zandalar, Kul Tiras, Nazjatar would have been far more fresh and interesting to focus on, but instead we had to watch the same boring story of Garrosh 2.0 / Lich King 2.0 being celebrated and hyped by the writers as some epic faction storyline when it’s just rehashed nonsense.

The whole faction storyline was completely invalidated by 8.2.5, basically invalidating the entire existence of the expansion. It’s hard to get into the theme of an xpac when you know it’s going nowhere except the same old ‘Well, we were wrong to fight each other, let’s unite against a greater threat!’. It’s even harder to feel faction pride when you know Blizzard is writing another ‘genocidal warchief must be removed’ storyline. And we of course got back right where we started, holding hands, in less than 3 patches so it’s even more obvious that there was never any point to this.

2 Re: Varian and the ‘war was inevitable anyway’ comments -
No, the Alliance wouldn’t have started a war, and certainly not over Varian’t death. If you played the Rogue Order Hall campaign you’d know that the whole Broken Shore was a set-up by the Legion who intercepted the scouts we sent, and instead gave us false info to lead us into a trap. Shaw, who was impersonated by a Dread Lord would have told Anduin later that whatever happened there wasn’t Sylvanas’s fault. This is also brought to closure in Before the Storm when he directly asks Sylvanas and is satisfied with her answer.

3 Re: Azshara -
Yes her character in BfA was a huge letdown. Azshara is one of the most iconic and oldest WoW villains, certainly one of the most distinct female villains, her influence felt all over the world ever since Vanilla, and she didn’t have any content or character develoment previously.

But what does she get? An expansion? No. All she gets is a disposable side appearance in one single patch in an sub-par faction war expansion that gives the spotlight to Sylvanas re-enacting what other male villains already did before her (and better).

Azshara wasn’t even given a whole Patch, she was given half a patch, with some quirky gnome farm zone getting half the glory. Sure, let’s interrupt our campaign against Azshara and farm some quirky bosses for mounts on Mechagon. Sure, ignore Nazjatar, we’ll just fish ourselves off of the ocean floor and fly around collecting scrap metal, isn’t that fun and immersive? Such lore, such characters!

4: In conclusion -
They didn’t even take the effort to give Azshara a patch of her own, they didn’t even put in half the effort into Nazjatar than what they did into Mechagon, and it’s such a letdown. Blizzard writers have proven that they can’t even handle a single storyline well (faction war… yaaawn), and they certainly can’t handle the jumbled mess that the saving Azeroth, battling Old Gods, facing Azshara, helping the Zandalari, doing mecha stuff, uniting Kul Tiras storylines of BfA ended up being. A totally lackluster expansion with an identity crisis that can’t do justice to any one of its storylines, and is built upon a totally forced and pointless faction war premise.

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I know this is very controversial but I think the war campaign should have been the main plot with Sylvanas and N’zoth’s plot in the background to give context. Tbh I think Sylvanas getting involved with N’Zoth is the easy way out of having to write a serious character. Nobody has had a more tragic story that Sylvanas and it’s already established that she is traumatized and sees the world differently because of this. People have done horrific things throughout history without an evil otherworldly entity manipulating them and although it would be very challenging to pull off a character story that followed Sylvanas through how she came to justify her actions and motivations…it would have been very interesting.

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What have they given people that they asked for? I do not remember anyone asking for azerite armor, I do not remember anyone asking for legion legendaries, I do not remember anyone asking for PVP vendors being taken away, and I do not remember anyone asking for an endless time gated rep grind for content…this list is endless and can go on.

If players do not voice their opinion and say nothing, then they will keep getting expansions that no one can stomach and people will just keep leaving.

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Psure azeroth’s been a titan ever since vanilla-wotlk

Look at the endless lists of posts prior to BFA, moaning about omfgggg why do i share my loot with this class? it’s ridiculous, stupid game omg i’ve ran this 500 times and i have 0 gear, there is no diversification in our armor, everyone wears the same items blah blah etc etc etc. Azerite gear was just a way to give people guaranteed gear coupled with personal loot, provided the solution to what players asked for.

PvP vendor removal was also inline with the posts asking why TF do i need to run all the way to X to buy Y? We used to buy skills from vendors too…all removed to feed our moaning.

And of course we basically begged for gated rep grinds, the direct result of "omfg why are whale’s able to buy their way to flying when i have to work 1000 hours a day and I have no time to farm for gold!!! It’s not fair, make it fairrrrr!!!

We literally asked for all of everything we have at some point or other. Why do you think some people went to play classic? To actually get away from all the attempts to make things fair for everyone.

The problem is they listen to too many people and yes of course they’ve introduced things on their own ideas that didn’t work but they are the game designers, we have no idea what we want as a collective.

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Flight was like 5000 gold ( or 500 ircc)
If at level 90 you lack this gold you have-had serious issues about gaming wow.
This ammount was nothing to nobody .

Go sit on the naughty step :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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You are an embarrassment when it comes to discussing the lore and its characters. Such half-baked postings are the reasons why uninformed players listen to people, like you, who stir up negative discussions for the sole purpose of vending their own frustrations out and manipulating others.

At least I am quoting lore events and data, not personal frustration like you do just above^^ without any context or reference to the lore whatsoever… if ur upset see ur doctor

you haven’t. act according your age and put some effort into it. good day.

Yeah cause we hurt ur poor Jaina boo-hoo. Anduin in the cinematic said Arthas and Daelin were ghosts of the past.

And yet some guy refers

That ^^ is an opinion!!! Arthas as an Alliance baddy or If Daelinn did nothing wrong is an OPINION.

Anduin in cinematic calling them ghosts of the past

Is FACT!! It happened!! In the lore!! In a cinematic!!

Its you shoving your head-cannon opinions to people!!

Nobody says he didn’t.

I just said how stupid it is that he compares THAT to whatever the orcs and the nu-Horde have done.

Take a chill pill bro lmao

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Warcraft 3 ended with the races working together and then WoW had weird factions (undead in horde and night elves in alliance). It’s a gameplay decision to make world pvp possible.
And they have been putting sci-fi into warcraft for a very long time now.

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Yes sorry for considering the Alliance Kings opinion as much more valid than your personal beliefs.

I assume ur more representative of Alliance lore ur Majesty, and we should all take ur word instead of Anduins when it comes to lore

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Is that what you’re studying to better read lore books?? Awwww how sweet! Keep up the good work!

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That wasn’t a “Faction War” though… It was Genn and Rogers attacking the Horde while technically the Horde and Alliance had a ceasefire…

Sure, Sylvanas was up to her usual mustache twirlingly evil deeds and her plans to control all the Val’kyr was foiled.

But it wasn’t all-out war between the Horde and Alliance.