Why are all PvE Players 225 while PvP players are 210 ish?

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Because PvP provides 1.75 items a week (1 from vault out of a maximum of 3 choices, 0.75 from conquest), you cannot trade items and there is no way of gaining more, while PvE provides an average 1.5 items / week from raid and 1 item / week from vault out of a maximum of 6 choices (3 from mythic raid, 3 from m+ dungeons), with the possibility to trade loot, as well as a far better way to fill out the slots on which BiS itemlevel didn’t drop with intermediate ilvl from drops out of heroic raids and mythic dungeons.

As to why PvErs are making threads, it’s simple - the people making those threads are generally incapable of basic reasoning, and tend to be players who have never in their lives achieved high-ish rating in PvP and thus have no basis on which to speak about pvp gear, so they speak out of their rear ends. Take for example that ragnaroast character, who’s calling people brain dead and speaking of a loot shower when it comes to 0.75 items / week - it’s a perfect example of the inability to reason, and is speaking about pvp while not having done any even remotely meaningful pvp in his life, so basically out of his rear end.

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It’s funny because those players are also lfr / normal players and complain that 2400+ pvp players might have slightly higher item level than them.

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Lmao pretending that these 2 are comparable. Filling conquest just spam some arenas, shouldn’t take more than an hour in a pug. To clear 10/10 HC in a pug you’re looking at MANY hours of high stress activity and waiting around with no guarantee of success, discord required and high chances you’ll fail. There’s no comparison.

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No worries. PVE player here with 205 to get the average down :slight_smile:

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Filling conquest provides 200 ilvl, heroic raids provide 213 ilvl. You are comparing apples with oranges, as expected of the typical braindead mongoloid you represent.

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You think arena spammers are capped at 200?

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filling conquest does provide 200ilvl true and using the honor you got from filling the conquest you upgrade that 200 item to a higher item level. so please try harder.

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i think thats a terrible idea. never again. Too much work if you wanna do both, youll either spend a lot of hours (i dont have) or be jack of all trades and master of non. Rather just buff PvP items so they are equally matched in a fights

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the 225 ones are mythic raiders.

to be a mythic raider, you do a TON of activities. from grinding hours and hours of mythic+, to grinding ranks in pvp to grinding the raids themselves. They’re not geared up by doing raid only…

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Hopefully Blizzard looks at the vault and removes the mythic vault and adds another PvP one instead that would be great.

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That gives 200 ilvl gear without higher rating.

Hc raid gives 213 / 220 item level, don’t even compare those lmao

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And then you link WORLD FIRST raider from a guild that used over 600 000 000gold on the raid. You too can be that geared if you just got the gold.
They payed for BoE drops.

What a stupid comparison to make.

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Um I’m pretty sure your rating goes up as you spam arenas.

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only if you win

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Then try it and tell me what happens after like 50 games or so.

You realize that unlike in PvE, you can lose your rating right? You don’t even know the basics of the game at all

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Also here is more the reality a pve player with more pvp gear then pve gear.

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Stop putting players into this pve and pvp groups. Most players do both. Only small tiny minority are pure pvp players and pve players.

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If you win, sure.

And once you hit 1.4, you gain maybe 10 rating at best for a win, so no, “just capping conq spamming arena” will not net you ilevel of lofty heights, for that to be true you’d need to win every single match against similarly rated opponents and even then you’ll probably hit 1.6 at best just doing the bare minimum, so get into the territory of gear being 226 etc, you need to play more arena.

And every loss sets you back.

And your great vault is also contingent upon this rating being maintained during the week (so you need to keep winning in that bracket to maintain it).

You can fail a mythic+ run and the great vault will still give you the proper ilevel for the chest. If you grind arena losing every game, all you’ll get are 200ilevel pieces.

Put it this way, if it was so remarkably easy to get 2.4 rating and keep it that way for “free” 226 gear, why on earth isn’t every pver doing it? They’re not because it actually takes some time to learn how to play in that bracket it’s not something you can just randomly PUG every week and get free 226s from ,not even close. At best that might net you 207 bits but generally speaking when going into the GF for pvp, expectations are very high which means randos just looking to PUG “for cap” etc will only play with each other which means they’ll stay stuck in unranked as when they approach the 1.4 level they’ll encounter teams who have more prep than them who will beat them every so often, pushing them back down.

A lot of these high profile PVE streamers who have the gear have also taken time to learn to play PvP OR are pairing with people with good PvP experience. It is not just a case of they strolled into a random PUG in GF and ended up with 226 loot. Much like PUGland in PvE, if you encounter some losses with a PUG group in PvP, people will bail on the comp and leave you which means you’re back to looking for partners.

it’s also really hard to get into for this reason. I haven’t PvPed for years, and i’m looking to get into rated and it’s extremely hard to find individuals willing to take on someone who is looking to learn and get better in arena by playing arena. BGs teach you very little about how arena works. Someone who has never done a dungeon in their life can slowly progress into M+ by climbing the difficulties, but for PvP a vast majority of people expect you can evidence prior success from prior expos in PvP and if you can’t, they don’t want anything to do with you. This means you’re left with other “new” players whom are looking to actually get good at arena and remain dedicated to trying consistently and even this is hard because many people bail if you lose a few games because what they’re really looking for is “easy gear” and someone to carry them.

I think since Sl i’ve found two people, just two, who are in a similar situation to me and have kinda stuck at it, but even then their play is quite intermittent compared to mine which makes dedicated progress tricky. For example i’m not sure i’ll get the second chest this week and have another go at getting closer to 1.4 in 3s because my partners just haven’t logged in at all despite last time in game stipulating this was our plan. So it may be back to start again! So another week of 200ilevel gear and no attempt to breach 1.4.

PvP is great if you’re already “in” but if you’re not, it’s a hard old slog but i’m determined to do it.

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Players that are 225 are those doing everything, mythic raiding, m+, pvp and buying boes and they usually are very good players all around.
Your average heroic raider is not even remotely near that. Especially people who pug are not going to get more than 1 piece from a full 10/10 clear.
Claiming that all pve players are 225 is a straight up lie.

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exactly this!

basically if i remember correctly, this was the case in WoD(for examble).

PvP gear was useless in PvE and vice versa