Ok so i was 3 levels higher then this paladin and he just crushed me, did like 1700 damage or more while i did a measly 80 to 200 sometimes 1000(only on very lucky hits) if i switch to frost i can crit for 4k with icy shackles(or whatever its called) but that requires me to have 20 stacks. is my gear poor or are DK’s just crap in pvp?
this was a lvl 86 to 83 duel in pandaria. im not using heirloom gear (with some exception) because the gear i get from quests are better stat wise!
also my level 26 hunter deals more damage sometimes then my DK doing 200 to 1000 damage! i am so confused…
because its hard to balance 12 classes at level 120, imagine doing that each 120 levels ? Also specs are balanced with all the spells, many classes dont have a lot of their core abilities or get them at random point. And people usually spend minutes at one level during leveling. So any balance before 120 is a waste of time …
There were times when a hunter pet could kill anyone solo, so just keep going at 120 its a lot better balance wise.
Honestly, that’s a pretty poor excuse. I’m sure Frost DKs and Enhancement Shamans have been complaining for a loooong time. To say “Sorry guys, we’re having trouble balancing all the classes” wouldn’t feel very nice as a frost/enhance main now, would it?
I’m currently gearing up my fresh 120 Frost DK, and it feels significantly worse than any other class I have played. I’m sure at higher ilvls with better essences/gear it will get easier, but trying to grind these guys up is painful compared to other classes. Damage is low, fairly bad mobility (I went Worgen for the extra speed buff), and having to manage 2 types of resources is a headache.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the style of it, but it just feels extremely subpar compared to everything else.
You are talking about an undergeared fresh 120, i said nothing about that, thats just you are undergeared, take anything and put it up against fully geared people and it will be terrible, my freshly leveled alts cant even properly quest. As i said, my message was about 119 and lower.
Low level is not ballanced, your class doesn’t even have all the toolks it uses not to mention even the 120s are hard to all ballance together.
Also looms are almost always worth using , if you get better gear from quests you either didn’t upgrade or just have to wait few levels until heirlooms outscale it.
We are weak because Blizzard renamed the game to World of Demon hunters ! Create DH or fire mage and you will be okay. Go to RIO and tell me how much DK`s do you see at top pages… Pro war, fire mage, DH, rogue…this is the WoW world now ! Face it or leave… For many years Blizzard proved that we wont play what class we want, but class that they want…
Because death knight is the safest pick in the game, it may not be the highest hitter but it is basically as close as you can get to a tank without actually being a tank (seriously a dps dk can take over tanking a raidboss for a while or act as offtank in some cases)
The point being is, while it isn’t really wanted that much outside of death grip, it is wanted just because it is highly unlikely for them to fail if they correctly have permafrost and a bunch of automatic proc damage. There is no point in aiming for best damage dealer because you are never getting above the utility classes like rogue as a subtank. (if we could still build defense stat for crit immune we would actually be to full tank as dps)
I was fighting Draenei Paladin once and it was a glorious battle. He was not a noob and fight was fun-long.
That can be useless knowledge since I am not hardcore PvPer~ I avoid arena like fire but I played unholy this way:
Focus at mastery stat and shadow damage
Talent Claw of Shadows that not only gives range but also turns it into 100% Shadow (Shadow DMG is increased by Mastery)
Kite the hell out of them. You are getting close when its convenient and to stack some wounds at enemy
I picked some rune regenerating talents and masteries to compensate lack of haste
It was fun~ Being Semi-Ranged character that exploits all those ranged stuff and pets for free damage is awesome.
Dunno about leveling~ there is always difference between Loremaster that is doing all quests and focus at best rewards (badically picking BiS to wear all the time) and someone that is rush-leveling while wearing “whatever”.
Also no one seemed to notice your talking levels. Levels mean very little, gear is more important. That gezzer could have been gemmed and enchanted to the teeth.
You should never compare your class and spec to others whilst leveling. There could be a lot why someone else does more damage. Things aren’t balanced on lower levels either.
This game has been unbalanced class wise a lot of time, every patch they change this for that but Every expansion that comes out we heard a lot of good new stuff that will improve the game from designers, in the end its the same product than 15 years ago.
This game needs one new class and a complete spec overhaul every expansion new animations that keep people happy with their class and relevant.
What you cant do to give you only an example of how bad things are is that a warrior has more self healing than a DK and a night and day better mobility than DKS on top of same dps, why I would choose a DK thats is a turtle with 1 m and a half cd to to damage burst totally rune starving all the time if i can choose a DH 15 seconds incredible aoe cd burst with incredible mobility and even dont need to heal a joke this game is a joke to be a montly paying game.
Look at all specs talent trees full of talents rooting in the dust cause only one talent is good.
And dont talk about healers that since expansion came out they havnt been able to balance them and on top of ridiculous talents choices we have to do compulsorily to play our classes we need to do dps on top of being ridiculous bad unbalanced talents across the board.
When leveling my frost DK through Hyjal, a fire mage kept pestering me - he was flexing cause he was like 11 levels higher than me, but I still trounced him more often than not.
He just started rezzing the moment I pulled mobs and started chugging greater pyroblasts at me from max range (admittedly that thing hurts like hell and just 2 are enough to kill you, so he got a few kills back as well when I was too slow to spot him and pull/stun/interrupt him).
Well guess what, mage, half the DK’s toolkit is made to kill mages. With chains of ice you can freeze them more often than they can freeze you, when they blink away you just pull’em back, general spells get soaked by Anti-magic shell, Pyroblasts get interrupt/chokestun… and mage without stupidly OP defensive azerite traits can’t survive a melee class sitting in their face for more than 10 seconds. I didn’t even have the more PvP oriented talents apart from Deathchill, like the silence spell or AMZ… Still more than enough gimmicks to shut down a fire mage’s combustion window COMPLETELY.
At 120 tho, EVERY class can get humongous absorb shield so even the glassiest of clothies can take helluva lot of punishment to die.
PS: good lord I accidentally necroed a 29 days old thread lol. Not my fault these forums get NO activity so 4-5 topics down are already nearing lockdown time
